Democrats for Life?

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Perhaps the regulations weren’t effective…they often aren’t. I know people on the Left have a very narrow view of what it means to be an “environmentalist.” It usually involves government regulations or schemes that do nothing but line the pockets of the environmental industry…ala carbon credits.
So you find it ok to vote for deregulation which allows increased emissions regarding CO2 or worse Mecury and other harmful chemicals in the air or water?

Would it be ok to drill in wildlife habitat and disrupt life that God created for only 5 years of oil which will take 5 years to tap into?
 
Look at the voting record and you will see overwhelmingly the Repubicans vote more in favor for deregulating environmental policies than Democrats.
You are starting to sound like you are practicing relativism and almost imply that social issues are at the same level of importance as life issues. Clearly the Church speaks out loudly against this practice.

As for deregulation of the environment, that is really a broad stroke statement and many would say it is in the worlds best interest to drill in ANWAR to cut dependance on middle east and Venezualian oil, both of which fund opponents to western democracies.
 
So you find it ok to vote for deregulation which allows increased emissions regarding CO2 or worse Mecury and other harmful chemicals in the air or water?

Would it be ok to drill in wildlife habitat and disrupt life that God created for only 5 years of oil which will take 5 years to tap into?
Let’s leave that for another thread. Environmentalism is off-topic. This is about Democrats for Life.
 
You are starting to sound like you are practicing relativism and almost imply that social issues are at the same level of importance as life issues. Clearly the Church speaks out loudly against this practice.

As for deregulation of the environment, that is really a broad stroke statement and many would say it is in the worlds best interest to drill in ANWAR to cut dependance on middle east and Venezualian oil, both of which fund opponents to western democracies./QUOTE

Relativism? hardly and I have said nothing that suggest that. You will find with in these posts I have been consistent with what I said neither party is pro-life and that myself I am not a single issue voter. Life is life in and out of the womb. I will not sacrifice one for the other. No where in Scripture of CCC says one life is greater than the other.

I am far from anyone who practicies Relativism but realises each action has a reaction and affects the life of others.

For example. If i smoke in front of my children and expose them to harmful affects of smoke I am hurting them. Smoke may not hurt me but it could hurt my children. So what if this harmful cigarette smoke causes cancer or asthma to my children and thus death. Am I pro-life? no
 
it is in the worlds best interest to drill in ANWAR to cut dependance on middle east and Venezualian oil, both of which fund opponents to western democracies.
you are correct to a point. That is what benifits do we have? Destroying the environment to drill for oil and then destroy the environment by burning that oil in our cars. The car emissions are more than CO2. Is it worth it?
We are God’s caetakers of the land. We do not own the land God does. He gave us domain of the land but not to destroy it.
 
At least 18 now. Before 2006 there was 3. I do anticipate the core Democrats such as Pelosi to turn on them and forget if it was not for these Pro-Life Democrats the Republican will be in power still.

Look at the voting record and you will see overwhelmingly the Repubicans vote more in favor for deregulating environmental policies than Democrats.
I’m not sure how you found 18 (Senate?). I went through the National Right-to-Life voting records, and I find 8. To increase that to 16, you would need to include a vote in support of cloning and/or financial support for Planned Parenthood.

capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard.xc?chamber=H&state=US&session=110&x=13&y=12
Method: I looked at anyone Democrat was over 50% and then looked at the votes they were marked with 0 (Voted Against NRLC). I threw out one of the votes - the Medicare Price Negotiation, because I think that is not a clear pro-life issue. Eight Democrats voted with NRLC on the rest of the issues. Five voted in favor of cloning. Two voted in favor of sending federal “family planning” funds to Planned Parenthood. One voted for both the cloning and Planned Parenthood measures.

Now, if you would like to do the same with Republicans and compare numbers…😉
 
I’m not sure how you found 18 (Senate?). I went through the National Right-to-Life voting records, and I find 8. To increase that to 16, you would need to include a vote in support of cloning and/or financial support for Planned Parenthood.

capwiz.com/nrlc/scorecard.xc?chamber=H&state=US&session=110&x=13&y=12
Method: I looked at anyone Democrat was over 50% and then looked at the votes they were marked with 0 (Voted Against NRLC). I threw out one of the votes - the Medicare Price Negotiation, because I think that is not a clear pro-life issue. Eight Democrats voted with NRLC on the rest of the issues. Five voted in favor of cloning. Two voted in favor of sending federal “family planning” funds to Planned Parenthood. One voted for both the cloning and Planned Parenthood measures.

Now, if you would like to do the same with Republicans and compare numbers…;)/QUOTE
Can you name them? I would be interested to see
 
Now, if you would like to do the same with Republicans and compare numbers…😉
I would agree that many more republicans vote against abortion issues but that is where the Republican disapoint me like the Democrats do voting on issues that are clearly lacking social concious and not pro-life “out of the womb”
 
I would agree that many more republicans vote against abortion issues but that is where the Republican disapoint me like the Democrats do voting on issues that are clearly lacking social concious and not pro-life “out of the womb”
Well the only “out of the womb” issues today that are clearly against Catholic teaching are Euthanasia, Cloning and Gay Marriage. Republicans are pretty consistent there.

Other issues that you would probably include are War, Death Penalty, Healthcare, Poverty…am I missing any…Environment? On those issues, good Catholics can disagree on how they are dealt with. I would agree that Republicans are further to the Right on the Death Penalty and War than I would like, but is the Democratic Party against all war? No…only the ones they don’t start. Are they against the Death Penalty? No…not consistently. Are they right on poverty, healthcare, et al? Not necessarily. As Catholics, we don’t have to approach the socialist approach to these issues. Republicans generally support private charity, and that is also an acceptable remedy from a Catholic standpoint.
 
Why are abortions still happening everyday? As Catholics we have not united and still support the democrats who appoint judges who are pro choice.
If our leaders in the Catholic church denounced political leaders who support abortion and rallied the flock then maybe Roe vs Wade would be overturned. The leaders in the Catholic church share the blame for the abortions in this country because they do not publicly denounce the Catholic politicians who support abortion. If the Bishops rallied the masses things would change and by the next elections. So will are Bishops get on the nightly news denounce those that support abortion, will our priests tell us at Mass not to support politicians who support abortion, and will our leaders follow through every week and publicly ask Catholics to support pro life. When is the last time you heard a Catholic Bishop in the United States speak against abortion and abortion supporters on the news? Where are our leaders?
 
When some one’s vote favors cutting programs which help the poor to pay for tax cuts that only benifit 2% of the country?. When you sacrifice innocent lives in a country to make a regime change based on faulty intelligence?
When 46 million of our fellow citizens are with out health insurance and many have died because of this this? No one was in favor of this? Some one voted for this some one allowed this to happen.
As a government official both President and Congress each have a moral obligation to make sure the “General Welfare of the every American” is met.
Please don’t bring up the liberal mantra about tax cuts for the rich. It has nothing to do with abortion and is just plain wrong. Perhaps you favor taking from one citizen to give to another who is not as fortunate. Fine idea in theory, but not in practice. Everyone is not the same, some will work harder than others to achieve, others will not. And there is nothing in the Constitution that says every American has a right to health care. Now, before you jump, I am in favor of helping those who through no fault of their own cannot take care of themselves. But if you are suggesting universal, single payer health care, I am absolutely opposed to that. I almost died living in a country with that system and I know because of my medical background that it never would have happened in this country. General welfare to which you refer can just as easily be thought of as equal opportunity. The closer to the people you can get the service, the better the service will be. The federal government should butt out and let the states run services for the poor.

Putting all of these other injustices in the same category as abortion is just a fascinating way to put party before Catholic teaching.
 
Please don’t bring up the liberal mantra about tax cuts for the rich. It has nothing to do with abortion and is just plain wrong. Perhaps you favor taking from one citizen to give to another who is not as fortunate. .
We live in a society and with in the Constitution of the U.S. it is legal to collect taxes.

So you think it is perfectly ok for people to be denied life saving healthcare because of having no insurance.

Which country did you live in before U.S.?
 
you are correct to a point. That is what benifits do we have? Destroying the environment to drill for oil and then destroy the environment by burning that oil in our cars. The car emissions are more than CO2. Is it worth it?
We are God’s caetakers of the land. We do not own the land God does. He gave us domain of the land but not to destroy it.
If you were not so wrong I would not feel so offended by your response. But the TRUTH about drilling at ANWAR is that they only need to drill in a very small area, a land area smaller than a town of just a couple thousand people, in an area that is the size of a modest state. So yes, we’d sacrifice a FEW square miles out of THOUSANDS. But you also err by implying we would not burn oil in our cars anyway. Venezualan heavy crude is what we will burn instead and it is a very thick, dirty and hard to refine crude oil that wastes far more and costs far more to extract in terms of money and in terms of energy than it would to extract the sweet crude that exists under Alaska’s north slope. Add to that we are still burning oil either way, which means either way we are emitting CO2 and all sorts of other emissions. You simply don’t know your facts and I don’t have the space to explain all of them to you, but my group of snowcat owners (see logo below) has several members who are oil safety engineers, inspectors, etc working in the oil areas of Alaska, Canada and Norway and this is a regular topic of our group. I’d be happy to direct you to photos showing how little environmental impact a whole drilling site actually exerts in the arctic areas.

Bear in mind another fact, you didn’t offer any other solutions but you did simply spout off false allegations about destroying the arctic environment. I’ve often suggested that we should harvest the oil from the north slope AND use the tax money and extraction contract frees to develop biodiesel that is at least partially sustainable.

If you really want to be a good steward to the land, then forget about simply criticism and start to offer some PRACTICAL solutions. Not everyone can afford to drive a Prius and we must keep fuel affordable or the middle classes will simply see fuel costs as a regressive expense. Not all cars can run E85, and those that can actually burn more fuel because it contains less energy. Heck you can’t even pump ethanol in a pipeline so costs to transport it make it only semi-viable when the government provides price supports via lower taxes and other incentives . . . that is not sustainable or being a good steward of taxes or land.
 
We live in a society and with in the Constitution of the U.S. it is legal to collect taxes.

So you think it is perfectly ok for people to be denied life saving healthcare because of having no insurance.

I did not say that, did I? I said that there was nothing in the Constitution that requires that the government provide health care. And I also said that we should help those who cannot help themselves if their circumstances were beyond their control. I also am not opposed to paying taxes. Don’t think I said that either. But I think it is incorrect to say that the tax cuts only helped the “rich”. Our unemployment rate is one of the lowest in history because businesses, particularly small businesses, have been able to expand and add more employees. That is a result of the small business owners who usually file as individuals being able to keep more of the money they earn and then put it back into the business. And I cannot help but wonder just how much more of the income taxes the upper bracket should pay. They are already paying a hugh percentage of the taxes and the lower group pays none at all.

Which country did you live in before U.S.?
I have always lived in the states except for spending three years in Canada when my husband was transferred there. I enjoyed my time there, but their health care system leaves much to be desired despite what some Canadians will tell you.
 
You simply can not justy any party who does not respect life in the womb or out of the womb period.

Life does not end at birth and no life is greater than the other. You find me where in Scripture of CCC where one life is greater than the other. This is the moral problem.

We sacrifice the poor to vote for parties who only in name who are against abortion.
Who sacifices the poor?
 
I have always lived in the states except for spending three years in Canada when my husband was transferred there. I enjoyed my time there, but their health care system leaves much to be desired despite what some Canadians will tell you.
I see. you know I always here that argument in the U.S. when subject of what to do with the uninsured. And the right wingers always come up with “Canadians hate their health insurance or Germans hate theirs”. Funny thing is it is not true because I work in Canada and Germany on a daily basis and ask this question to many Canadians and Germans they say that is simply not true.

They say “yeah sure it is not perfect but hey at least when I am out of a job or working part time as a student I am insured”
 
We live in a society and with in the Constitution of the U.S. it is legal to collect taxes.

So you think it is perfectly ok for people to be denied life saving healthcare because of having no insurance.

Which country did you live in before U.S.?
Who is denying anyone life saving healhcare?

Or perhaps you are suggesting that the Democrats feel the best way to cut down on the number of uninsured is to kill them in the womb?
 
If you were not so wrong I would not feel so offended by your response. But the TRUTH about drilling at ANWAR is that they only need to drill in a very small area, a land area smaller than a town of just a couple thousand people
, Yes in the direct path of migrating Elk which would interupt their breeding grounds which also those few thousand natives rely on food source.
but you did simply spout off false allegations about destroying the arctic environment.
That is pretty strong of you to say. care to elaborate how I am stating this falsely.
Not everyone can afford to drive a Prius and we must keep fuel affordable or the middle classes will simply see fuel costs as a regressive expense. Not all cars can run E85, and those that can actually burn more fuel because it contains less energy. Heck you can’t even pump ethanol in a pipeline so costs to transport it make it only semi-viable when the government provides price supports via lower taxes and other incentives . . . that is not sustainable or being a good steward of taxes or land
I do agree with you the Prius, E85 is not a solution. I suggest we invest more in conversation with better fuel standards, use diesel instead of gasoline buring engines. E85 was a knee jerk reaction to gasoline prices with out considering the side effect.
Again conservatioin and public transportation is best way but we need to invest in this. Invest in developement of cleaner and more fuel effecient trasnportion.
 
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