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rlg94086
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Okay…well then just give a number.
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estesbob
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Actually we can list the Democrat canidates who have ANY pro-life credentials very easily-there arent any-which isthe whole point. if one is a Democrat and claims to be pro-life AND claims to follow the teachings of the Church they havent gotten to cast a vote in a long time
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rlg94086
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melensdad
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I think you may have missed the point.
Things like T-Shirts and Bumper Stickers are advertising to help the organization, to spread the word. Its not a matter of it being a so-called reward, it is a way of increasing awareness! If an organization is saying it has bumper stickers and is “giving” them to me for my donation then they benefit by giving it to me!!!
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I’m sorry but comments like this are really inaccurate and should be corrected within context.
You have taken the time to single out one 3rd tier candidate and say he has “legitimate pro life credentials” but then you simply broad brush the whole of the GOP?!? ***There are literally hundreds of GOP candidates and office holders who have “legitimate pro-life credentials” ***and there are many who also do not. But it is very disingenuous to make the claim you make.
The reality is there are many genuinely pro-life Republican office holders and candidate and the reality is there are very few Democrats who fit into that category.
I’m not going to say the GOP is even close to perfect with regard to life issues, ***but on an individual basis, many are true crusaders for our pro-life beliefs. ***
This is a very valid point that all Pro-Life Democrats should consider!
If you are in fact a Pro-Life Democrat then you need to be very active in the nominating and primary process of your local elections. It is simply not enough to be a Pro-Life Democrat and continue to support a party that is OPENLY HOSTILE to our entire pro-life agenda.
Our faith has several non-negotiable “Pro-Life” points which are:
- Abortion
- Euthanasia
- Embryonic Stem Cell Research
- Human Cloning
- Gay Marriage and Civil Marriage “equivalents”
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hasikelee
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Wait, what, are we talking about presidential candidates?
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estesbob
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The list of democrat conressmen who are pro life would also be very slim. And some of those are very suspect. Harry reid, for intance claims to be pro-life yet criticized the decision upholding the partial bith abortion ban(even though he voted for it) and has a 65% rating from NARL
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spangler1982
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Same with me! But when a group PROMISES something, then doesn’t keep their end of the deal, it reveals things about that organization’s character that leaves much to be desired.
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BobP123
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Don’t kid yourself. Most of Muslims adhere to pro-life positions. Would you vote for a moderate Republican pro-choicer over them?
Yes. I was making out some big checks to some pro-life organizations, only to see them being sued by the abortion clinics and other groups. All organizations have to realize they have to operate under existing laws, otherwise they’re self-defeating.
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estesbob
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Depends on what the Muslims positions was on the other issues. I dont dismiss someone merely because of their race. There are no circumstances i would vote for anyone who is pro-abortion regardless of what party they belong to.
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BobP123
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How about those that are against abortion EXCEPT in cases of rape or incest? Is this a justifiable exception in your opinion?
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jman507
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Well Ben Nelson, who is not up for a 2008 election, has a 7% rating from NARAL.
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estesbob
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Not for me BUT I would vote for one who opposed abortion except for these two issues(assuming I agreed with most of their other postions)-both combined that account for a miniscule number of abortions . I woud be estatic if abortion was outlawed except for those two exceptions. once we accomplish that we can work on the other two.
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estesbob
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Great!
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rlg94086
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If I’m given a choice between a pro-choice politician and a pro-lifer who believes in exceptions, I would certainly vote for the pro-lifer with exceptions.
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estesbob
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If it is the two exceptions mentioned I agree.I would not criticize, however, one, like BobP123.who evidently beleives it is wrong to vote for even the pro-lifer who opposes abortion except in the case of rape and incest That is a principled position. I dont embrace it as I dont want the perfect to become the enemy of the possible.
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SoCalRC
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Why do you continue to use a false claim? Reid’s office officially suppored the decision. And he voted for the ban. He made one comment, in the context of Alito and the opinion itself. He thought that the opinion itself left a lot to be desired and that Alito was not the pragmatist that O’Connor was. Reid objected to Alito’s nomination for what strike me as reasonable reasons (like having previously lied to Congress, having already showed ethical problems on the bench, and favoring an empirial presidency).
I’ve pressed on what, exactly, anyone who actually cares about stopping abortions in this country should like about the majority opinion in Carhart. A ban that stops 0 abortions, provides a blue print for bypassing the ban, and bends so far backwards demonstrating that it follows Casey and Roe that Scalia and Thomas felt compelled to write a concurring opinion noting that they, seeminly unlike the majority, did not consider Roe constitutional. Ironically, Ginsburg, in the dissenting opinion, also criticized Roe as a ruling.
But, heaven forbid that one question the majority ruling. Since, of course, that would automatically make one a ‘pro abortionist’…
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SoCalRC
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Ah yes, the ‘God is not Practical’ defense…
Since Christians have banded together and emerged victorious against seemingly insurmountable odds thorughout millenia, wouldn’t it be mroe likely that you just serve two masters?
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Ender
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You’re in no position to make this charge.
These were allegations made during Alito’s confirmation hearing and there was no truth to any of them. They were contemptible charges that were fully investigated and dismissed. The imperial presidency charge was laughable on its face, the others were simply scurrilous.
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TMC
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This is an interesting definition of “Pro-Life”. Why is gay marriage a pro-life viewpoint, but the Church’s teachings on the death penalty, humane treatment of prisoners, care for the sick, care for the poor, etc., not part of the pro-life platform? If you expand pro-life to include issues other than abortion, Democrats immediately get the edge. Its only by restricting the conversation to abortion that Republicans have courted so many Catholic votes. Now it seems likely the the Republican nominee will have a similar position on abortion to the Democratic nominee.
And why should %s matter? Aren’t we voting for people, not statistics?
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Online_Knight
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I am a DFLAer because I am fiercely pro-life (in all circumstances) but I believe in protecting the environment, education, and helping the poor and sick.
I always struggled on election day because I make abortion and embryonic stem cell research my number one issue, yet I disagree with the Republican Party over most other issues.
I am with the DFLA because I still have faith that the Democratic Party can eliminate support of the murder of the unborn from the party platform and better serve all humans in this country with their other programs.
Maybe I am way off, since I live out in the sticks, but can you imagine the support that the last two Democratic presidential candidates would have had if they were pro-life? I think either wins in a landslide.
I always struggled on election day because I make abortion and embryonic stem cell research my number one issue, yet I disagree with the Republican Party over most other issues.
I am with the DFLA because I still have faith that the Democratic Party can eliminate support of the murder of the unborn from the party platform and better serve all humans in this country with their other programs.
Maybe I am way off, since I live out in the sticks, but can you imagine the support that the last two Democratic presidential candidates would have had if they were pro-life? I think either wins in a landslide.
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