Democrats for Life?

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How about those that are against abortion EXCEPT in cases of rape or incest? Is this a justifiable exception in your opinion?
Compared to the Democrat Party’s preferred abortion-on-demand paid for with taxpayers dollars both at home and abroad? Yes, such a candidate would be a justifiable exception. Incrementalism is a valid strategy for ending abortion in the U.S.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
I’m sorry, but you are clearly wrong. I do not support the death penalty. I do not advocate for it. But here is what the CCC actually says, and you will see that what I wrote is correct. However you state that what I wrote was wrong and clearly my post was accurate as you will see below:

Now it is clear that the Church frowns upon the Death Penalty, and it is clear that the church believes that the cases where it can/should be applied are very very rare, but it is also clear that our Church allows for the death penalty as legitimate.
My disagreement was with the term “punishment.” The death penalty can be applied in some circumstances, but it cannot be motivated by a desire to punish, but only by a legitimate need to protect others.
 
Saint in Heaven & Most esteemed Doctor of the True Catholic Church:
“If a man is a danger to the community, threatening it with disintegration by some wrongdoing of his, then his execution for the healing and preservation of the common good is to be commended. Only the public authority, not private persons, may licitly execute malefactors by public judgement. Men shall be sentenced to death for crimes of irreparable harm or which are particularly perverted.” St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, 11; 65-2; 66-6.
Does anyone not see:
for crimes of irreparable harm or which are particularly perverted.

as a punishment?
The intent being to restoring the balance of justice in society.

If death penalty punishment is not a legitimate part of justice then eternal punishment in Hell is an abominable belief to the Christian religion.
 
(BTW - it’s Democrat Party, not Democratic, regardless of what TV announcers say)
No, it’s the Democratic Party, not the “Democrat” Party, regardless of what Hannity, Rush, Bush and Fox"News" say.

Go to the party’s website and it says in big white letters on a blue background: “The Democratic Party.”
 
Depends on what the Muslims positions was on the other issues. I dont dismiss someone merely because of their race. There are no circumstances i would vote for anyone who is pro-abortion regardless of what party they belong to.
Um…“Muslim” isn’t a race, it’s a religion.
 
Um…“Muslim” isn’t a race, it’s a religion.
A you suggesting that we shouldhave a religious test for holding office in this country? Are you suggesting I should vote against someone merely because they are Muslim?
 
No, it’s the Democratic Party, not the “Democrat” Party, regardless of what Hannity, Rush, Bush and Fox"News" say.

Go to the party’s website and it says in big white letters on a blue background: “The Democratic Party.”
To refer to them as the Democratic party is false advertising.
 
I hope we can get past this discussion of the death penalty - which is related to the topic but the topic is really about a lot more than just this and there is another thread (Another look at the death penalty) that discusses this in more detail.

I would also hope that, regardless of one’s personal view of capital punishment, we can at least agree that the issue is in no way comparable to issues such as abortion and euthanasia.

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I hope we can get past this discussion of the death penalty - which is related to the topic but the topic is really about a lot more than just this and there is another thread (Another look at the death penalty) that discusses this in more detail.

I would also hope that, regardless of one’s personal view of capital punishment, we can at least agree that the issue is in no way comparable to issues such as abortion and euthanasia.

Ender
Agreed. We must take care not to distort the teachings of the Church.
 
A you suggesting that we shouldhave a religious test for holding office in this country? Are you suggesting I should vote against someone merely because they are Muslim?
Nope. I was correcting your statement. Muslim isn’t a race, it is a religion.

That’s it. Nothing more to read into it. I don’t play those kinds of games. I say what needs to be said and I don’t have an underlying motive for it. Why do you suspect otherwise?
 
To refer to them as the Democratic party is false advertising.
It’s the name of their party. You may not like it, but it’s true.

I know why right-wingers like to call them "the Democrat party, though. I made it plain there. 😛

Questiont to self: Why am I engaging in this pointless conversation? I’d have better luck with a Möbius strip.
 
To refer to them as the Democratic party is false advertising.
And to demonize more than half the population of the United States which voted Democratic is inherently un-Christian.

The nice thing about this thread is it is a litmus test of true beliefs. Which does a person love more, pro-life principles and Catholicism, or a religious party?

We have reached the point in this country where a tactic of controlled drowning, which dates from the Spanish Inquisition and which we have prosecuted as a war crime since the Spanish American war, is a partisan ‘wedge’ issue.

Did anyone happen to see former President Bush on Fox News Sunday the other day? Part of the interview moved me so much I copied it down - discussing the Iraq war in 1991:
Wallace: “The President remembered the courage and humanity of American soldiers and he grew emotional.”
Bush: “My favorite picture is a picture of American soldiers surrounding a guy whose been in a foxhole, Iraqi soldier, and the American guy says, we’re not going to harm you, we’re American soldiers.” (fights back tears)
Bush: “…See, that side of the war never got — the fact that we treated those people with respect in spite of the fact they were the enemy, it’s really good.
Then I read this on Monday:

guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,2205187,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
The top legal adviser within the US state department, who counsels the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, on international law, has declined to rule out the use of the interrogation technique known as waterboarding even if it were applied by foreign intelligence services on US citizens.
Of course, today one of my Senators (Feinstein) voted to allow an AG nomination move forward despite similiar views. Her argument? With this adminstration we cannot expect a nomination that matches “our views on torture or domestic spying”!

Tonight Frontline will run a documentary on extraordinary rendition:

pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendition701/

Welcome to America. I find it hard to understand how this could even be the same country I enlisted to serve in a time of war.

We’ve become so morally bankrupt and depraved as a nation that all this self rightous nonsense about ‘the pius party’ would be funny if it weren’t so tragic. For some reason I keep thinking of those shiny belt buckles German solidiers wore in WWI “God with Us”…
 
For some reason I keep thinking of those shiny belt buckles German solidiers wore in WWI “God with Us”…
What’s more telling is that the wore the same belt-buckles on WWII with a broken and twisted cross added.
 
Nope. I was correcting your statement. Muslim isn’t a race, it is a religion.

That’s it. Nothing more to read into it. I don’t play those kinds of games. I say what needs to be said and I don’t have an underlying motive for it. Why do you suspect otherwise?
Because you asked me would I vote for a Muslim over a moderately pro-choice canidate. the only information you gave me on the former was that he was Muslim. Religion was the only thing you told me about him. Thus the only assumption I could make was that i was to take his religion and only his religion in account when considering whether to vote for him.
 
Because you asked me would I vote for a Muslim over a moderately pro-choice canidate. the only information you gave me on the former was that he was Muslim. Religion was the only thing you told me about him. Thus the only assumption I could make was that i was to take his religion and only his religion in account when considering whether to vote for him.
Reread the VIII commandment, there, dude. It wasn’t me who asked the question, it was BobP123.

I comment on your response to his question because you confused race for religion, nothing more.

Apologies will be accepted when asked for.
 
😦 😦
Reread the VIII commandment, there, dude. It wasn’t me who asked the question, it was BobP123.

I comment on your response to his question because you confused race for religion, nothing more.

Apologies will be accepted when asked for.
OOPS! Sorry about that:blush:
 
With this adminstration we cannot expect a nomination that matches “our views on torture or domestic spying”!
Torture has a legal definition. In order to render a legal opinion a person has to know precisely what that definition is and the cases dealing with it and know precisely what waterboarding entails. In this case the nominee for Attorney General is saying he lacks the detailed knowledge required to render a legal opinion. If the congress wishes to simplify this they can always pass a law outlawing waterboarding; then you would have a right to expect an AG nominee to agree that it was illegal. The Democrats control congress; if they believe waterboarding is torture then why haven’t they passed a bill banning it?
We’ve become so morally bankrupt and depraved as a nation that all this self rightous nonsense about ‘the pius party’ would be funny if it weren’t so tragic.
I agree. I don’t understand how an entire party can denounce something but take no action against it. Where are their principles? What hypocrisy. What feigned piety. :hmmm:

Ender
 
Torture has a legal definition. In order to render a legal opinion a person has to know precisely what that definition is and the cases dealing with it and know precisely what waterboarding entails. In this case the nominee for Attorney General is saying he lacks the detailed knowledge required to render a legal opinion. If the congress wishes to simplify this they can always pass a law outlawing waterboarding; then you would have a right to expect an AG nominee to agree that it was illegal. The Democrats control congress; if they believe waterboarding is torture then why haven’t they passed a bill banning it?
Bills were introduced twice in Congress to declare waterboarding illegal torture . In neither case could it obtain even a majority of the Democrats. What we saw in this hearing was an attempt by some Democrats to obtain by coercion something they could not pass in Congress.
I agree. I don’t understand how an entire party can denounce something but take no action against it. Where are their principles? What hypocrisy. What feigned piety. :hmmm:

Ender
If one wants to see what torture really is Google Daniel Pearl.
 
How can Catholics support the democrats? They are pro choice, they appoint abortionist judges, and they are trying to make gay marriage legal. The church should ex-communicate the so called Catholic leaders of the democratic party. Abortion is murder against the fifth commandment and marriage is a sacrament how can the church stay silent about these Catholic policiticians. Isn’t 40 million abortions enough and there is no end in sight. Where are our Bishops and Priests? Why aren’t they preaching to us at Mass about the injustices of these people? Just imagine if our Priests spoke everyday to protect the unborn and to get all Catholics to unite and not support any politician who supports abortion and gay marriage. Do you think maybe Roe vs Wade might be overturned. Where is my Churchs voice and why do I hear nothing about these elected Catholic democrats going against the teaching of Christ.
 
Sadly, I think that if the Democrats put a pro-life candidate against a pro-life Republican candidate, the Democrats would split into a third party (probably Green).
And, ironically, the third party candidate might win while die-hard Republicans and Democrats vote the party line.
 
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