Democrats... The Pro Life Party

[Catholig]

IT also means having medical care necessary to bring a baby to term. Do you view someone choosing to use birth control as being on the same moral ground as someone choosing to have an abortion?

Valke2, you still haven’t shown a source, so I’ll show my skepticism by saying that it’d have to be demostrated in multiple Republican & multiple Democratic presidencies (just so you’ll no that there’s a trend) - and even then I doubt I’d fully believe it because I’m positive that there’d be other factors at work. Over all though the Republicans are the one’s trying to protect life. And if we get a few more good judges on the SCOTUS we’ll be doing alright.

Catholig

 

[Catholig]

IT also means having medical care necessary to bring a baby to term. Do you view someone choosing to use birth control as being on the same moral ground as someone choosing to have an abortion?

Yes, they are both mortal sins.

Catholig

 

[elvisman]

You gotta be kidding!!! When the president thinks he can fire lawyers in public service because he disagrees with them??? What is going to happen next?

Hey, Jerusha - check your facts.
**There are 93 U.S. Attorneys who work under the Attorney General at any given time. **
They are usually appointed by the current administration. Almost EVERY administration hand-picks these attorneys.
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales fired 7, yes SEVEN attorneys.
Where were YOU and all the other liberal noisemakers when Janet Reno, under Bill Clinton fired ALL 93 ATTORNEYS in 1993?? ALL NINETY THREE!!
U.S. Attorneys are SUPPOSED to be in line with the administration’s ideals. That’s the way it works and HAS worked since the inception of the U.S. Attorney.
Don’t let the left-wing media fool you.
As for the Democratic party not being the abortion party, you need to do your homework on that as well. “A woman’s right to choose” is part of the party platform.

 

[puzzleannie]

Valke-- excellent insight.

Not only that, but religious conservatives sometimes condemn for life a woman for 15 minutes of (perhaps drunken) sex. The social stigma of unwed pregnancy is a contributor to the abortion rate. Not exactly “Christian”, is it?

I have noticed absolutely NO social stigma attached to unwed mothers in this society in the last 25 years.
Christians do not condemn women for having sex and getting pregnant, they do offer a way of getting out of the condition of life that leads to sex without commitment, without happiness, without self-respect and without even satisfaction. They do condemn outright murder of the innocent, and they do condemn those who victimize women by fostering a culture that makes her a virtual sex slave to any man who wants her, that forces her to have an abortion (there is no real “choice” in the matter for many women) or by killing her before she is even born.

still no real numbers and source for claim in OP so we will ignore it until some support is offered.

 

[dmelosi]

So following your line of thought…

There are less murders inside a prison, so that is a safer place to live?

Seriously, this is a black and white issue on against life or for life.

This argument crops up every once in a while on here for the die hard Democrats who dumb things down to ease their guilt for justifying voting pro death.

The fact is that there are less abortions in the United States when democrats are in power then when republicans are in power. This is attributed to the fact that there is generally more funding made available for health care for women when the demo’s control things.

So if abortion is a hot button issue for you, it seems that Catholics should be voting democratic. Results over rhetoric.

 

[dmelosi]

I am sorry to have to correct you on this, but only 92 out of the 93 were fired.

I am willing to bet there will be no rebuttul to your post from the pro choice supporters on here.

Maybe you put 93 to see if any would say no only 92 were fired under Reno, but they did not bite on that either.

Hey, Jerusha - check your facts.
There are 93 U.S. Attorneys who work under the Attorney General at any given time.
They are usually appointed by the current administration. Almost EVERY administration hand-picks these attorneys.
U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales fired 7, yes SEVEN attorneys.
Where were YOU and all the other liberal noisemakers when Janet Reno, under Bill Clinton fired ALL 93 ATTORNEYS in 1993?? ALL NINETY THREE!!
U.S. Attorneys are SUPPOSED to be in line with the administration’s ideals. That’s the way it works and HAS worked since the inception of the U.S. Attorney.
Don’t let the left-wing media fool you.
As for the Democratic party not being the abortion party, you need to do your homework on that as well. “A woman’s right to choose” is part of the party platform.

 

[dmelosi]

The judges appointed to the supreme court this term says it all on which party is pro life and which is pro death.

The fight during the approval process was primarily over that specific issue.

By not making this issue a priority in your voting is simply enabling the erosion of the importance of it. Which will lead to more and more Americans favoring the availability.

The title in this post shows how close minded the OP is.

Regardless of which political party gets more done to limit abortions, the fact remains that MOST Americans favor the availability of abortion. Therefore, laws may be adjusted a little here and there, but abortion will continue to be available throughout America unless there is a conversion of the American person at the heart level.

That is why I don’t vote on the issue of abortion alone. I think it is a mistake for us to spend so much time and money trying to do what is perceived by pagans and atheists as “ramming our religion down their throats” via the law.

It has been said by some commentators, and I agree, that Republicans don’t really want an end to legal abortion. It is one of their bread and butter issues. If abortion became illegal again, there’d be a tremendous liberal-atheist-pagan backlash that would drive Republicans from office for the next generation. So, they dance around abortion, using it as their money issue, but never really doing anything to stop it, apart from lip service.

 

[elvisman]

I am sorry to have to correct you on this, but only 92 out of the 93 were fired.

I am willing to bet there will be no rebuttul to your post from the pro choice supporters on here.

Maybe you put 93 to see if any would say no only 92 were fired under Reno, but they did not bite on that either.

ACTUALLY - it WAS all 93 attorneys.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980437-2,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258901,00.html
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/1997/fax19971203.asp

Shall I go on?

 

[2shelbys]

The fact is that there are less abortions in the United States when democrats are in power then when republicans are in power. This is attributed to the fact that there is generally more funding made available for health care for women when the demo’s control things.

So if abortion is a hot button issue for you, it seems that Catholics should be voting democratic. Results over rhetoric.

This is UNBELIEVABLE nonsense. It is the liberal democrats who are responsible for making the murder of children legal and keeping it legal. Period, end of story. No un-supported statistical nonsense claim changes that. By trying to influence people to support the party (or any politician of any party) that promotes the murder of children you are trying to lead people to participate in a grevious mortal sin. I don’t know what you see when you examine your conscience but if it was me that did this I would consider my soul in SERIOUS danger.

 

[2shelbys]

You gotta be kidding!!! When the president thinks he can fire lawyers in public service because he disagrees with them??? What is going to happen next?

This has always been the case. Clinton fired more than any other President before or since. It was his right to do so just as it is the right of any other administration.

 

[dmelosi]

Shoot no. I didn’t research it, just saw that the only one not fired was the now Homeland Security Head. I just saw that in passing and didnt see the entire piece on it.

Was more wanting to make the point that you would not hear this from the the pro death posters.

ACTUALLY - it WAS all 93 attorneys.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,980437-2,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258901,00.html
http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/1997/fax19971203.asp

Shall I go on?

 

[2shelbys]

You can tarbrush it all you want. But if you are looking to reduce abortions, look at the candidates who are going to ensure that women have affordable health care.

WHAT??? I would LOVE to see you explain how this makes even the slightest bit of sense.

 

[dmelosi]

No social stigma? I sure don’t see many bragging about having an abortion. Even if they have tried to supress the thought of it, they know deep down that they killed their child.

I have noticed absolutely NO social stigma attached to unwed mothers in this society in the last 25 years.
Christians do not condemn women for having sex and getting pregnant, they do offer a way of getting out of the condition of life that leads to sex without commitment, without happiness, without self-respect and without even satisfaction. They do condemn outright murder of the innocent, and they do condemn those who victimize women by fostering a culture that makes her a virtual sex slave to any man who wants her, that forces her to have an abortion (there is no real “choice” in the matter for many women) or by killing her before she is even born.

still no real numbers and source for claim in OP so we will ignore it until some support is offered.

 

[Valke2]

Yes, if it is artificial birth control.

so to you, a use of a condom = murder?

 

[2shelbys]

so to you, a use of a condom = murder?

To the Church, not just adrift, both are Mortal sins. They may not be aqual in the eyes of the law but in the eyes of God either one can land you in the flames.

 

[Valke2]

To the Church, not just adrift, both are Mortal sins. They may not be aqual in the eyes of the law but in the eyes of God either one can land you in the flames.

Then there are going to be a lot of toasty christians in the hereafter. Either that or people are really, REALLY into water baloon fights.

 

[Jerusha]

LOL. Its the principle of the thing, you know. Nothing to do with reality.

 

[adrift]

so to you, a use of a condom = murder?

Do you view someone choosing to use birth control as being on the same moral ground as someone choosing to have an abortion?

Your logic escapes me. I believe that adultery is on the same moral ground as abortion but that does not mean that they are all murders or all commit adultery it only means that the moral grounds are the same death to the soul by committing mortal sin.
Is artificial birth control murder? It could be, only God know when that happens.

Jesus did say that the road to hell was wide and many found their way to it while the road to heaven was narrow which few found. Christians will be there but so will many other faiths or no faith.

 

[Jerusha]

God is the real Judge. We can only judge according to our understanding, and often are wrong.

 

[dmelosi]

I guess it depends on how we reach our understanding.

Judging a person is not our role, but judging and fighting to overcome an immoral act is.

God is the real Judge. We can only judge according to our understanding, and often are wrong.