Denominations which allow Women Pastors.

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PRmerger said:
Ah. Very good point.

It would seem that what TheSeeker is professing is actually CONTRARY to Scripture.

That is, if one goes by Scripture alone.
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Acts 18:25-26This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

Male and female need to be in agreement. Paul, may not agree for a women to preach with him being the authority figure…
however, it would not be bad if another male(s) and female(s) had a different agreement among them for their congregation.
Perhaps there were confusion and shaming in some churches because both sexes not being in agreement… this too could lead to Paul’s advice.
One is less likely to err if both sexes are in on the matter.
Paul may not allow women to speak when he is in authority… and authority automatically goes to the man because of man being created before woman and woman for the man and not man for the woman as in scripts i had mentioned in past posts on this thread.

In the old testament there were lots of women who had spoken out when they were not suppose to in theory… such as Paul’s opinion. But they were in agreement with an authority figure of some kind. And… they tried gaining favor to who they were speaking with and succeeded. Also lots of prayer before action.
 
Porknpie said:
TheSeeker,

Do I understand the you know that the bible is inspired and inerrant because you prayed?

What errors can be in the bible? I don’t understand your point there…

Curious too, how many books are in your bible?

PnP
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Any kind of an err CAN (able) to be in any book translated, copied, and interpreted by man.
As to books in the bible…
I am open to both protestant and Catholic
as well as the dead sea scrolls and the book of enoch
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
Acts 18:25-26This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

Male and female need to be in agreement. Paul, may not agree for a women to preach with him being the authority figure…
however, it would not be bad if another male(s) and female(s) had a different agreement among them for their congregation.
Perhaps there were confusion and shaming in some churches because both sexes not being in agreement… this too could lead to Paul’s advice.
One is less likely to err if both sexes are in on the matter.
Paul may not allow women to speak when he is in authority… and authority automatically goes to the man because of man being created before woman and woman for the man and not man for the woman as in scripts i had mentioned in past posts on this thread.

In the old testament there were lots of women who had spoken out when they were not suppose to in theory… such as Paul’s opinion. But they were in agreement with an authority figure of some kind. And… they tried gaining favor to who they were speaking with and succeeded. Also lots of prayer before action.
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No disagreement with the essence of your post here.

But we are still waiting for the Scripture verses that state that a man needs a woman in order to preach.

As such, it appears to be a man-made tradition you’ve espoused.
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
Any kind of an err CAN (able) to be in any book translated, copied, and interpreted by man.
As to books in the bible…
I am open to both protestant and Catholic
as well as the dead sea scrolls and the book of enoch
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So how do you know if a book is theopneustos (God-breathed, or inspired) or not?
 
PRmerger said:
So how do you know if a book is theopneustos (God-breathed, or inspired) or not?
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prayer. you have to challenge everything. You got to ask God Himself about things. Personally I believe pieces of/about God are hidden everywhere you just have to find them… like nuggets of Gold. Some books would contain more than others… and few like the books of the bible are almost completely full of nuggets… if not fully.

In all reality know on could know. you got to commune with God.

At one time scripture did not exist…
That didnt keep people from learning and knowing God…
I am sure what literature they could come across they looked for nuggets.
 
PRmerger said:
No disagreement with the essence of your post here.

But we are still waiting for the Scripture verses that state that a man needs a woman in order to preach.

As such, it appears to be a man-made tradition you’ve espoused.
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Oh I understand you are not. But the truth of the matter is that there is not going to be a clear blunt script saying so.

If man needed woman in the garden in a perfect world as a help support and companion… would he not even need her more now in a fallen state trying to teach truth?

Most people know the script about a 3 stringed cord…
it goes for marriage… wife husband God

well one is just not going to get far if it is just God and man… because man is going to err… having a third lowers the risk. (not saying God cannot lead… )

EDIT- the 3 string cord is great for friendship and prayer requests…
more strings per cord the stronger.
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
prayer. you have to challenge everything. You got to ask God Himself about things. Personally I believe pieces of/about God are hidden everywhere you just have to find them… like nuggets of Gold. Some books would contain more than others… and few like the books of the bible are almost completely full of nuggets… if not fully.

In all reality know on could know. you got to commune with God.

At one time scripture did not exist…
That didnt keep people from learning and knowing God…
I am sure what literature they could come across they looked for nuggets.
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So it would appear that they already knew the gospel or the “good news” and when they came across texts which had “nuggets” they knew, “Hey, this coincides with what I already knew from being preached at!”

And that is what you are saying about yourself in your current situation? You already know the good news, and when you pray and hear something you say, “This is true because it conforms to the gospel I learned from praying and being preached at!”

Yes?
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
Oh I understand you are not. But the truth of the matter is that there is not going to be a clear blunt script saying so.

If man needed woman in the garden in a perfect world as a help support and companion… would he not even need her more now in a fallen state trying to teach truth?

Most people know the script about a 3 stringed cord…
it goes for marriage… wife husband God

well one is just not going to get far if it is just God and man… because man is going to err… having a third lowers the risk. (not saying God cannot lead… )
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Can you tell me where the the Apostles erred but a woman prevented them from erring, through support and companionship?
 
PRmerger said:
So it would appear that they already knew the gospel or the “good news” and when they came across texts which had “nuggets” they knew, “Hey, this coincides with what I already knew from being preached at!”

And that is what you are saying about yourself in your current situation? You already know the good news, and when you pray and hear something you say, “This is true because it conforms to the gospel I learned from praying and being preached at!”

Yes?
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sure but not necessarily preached at. you have to challenge that too just like books. unless you are talking about the Gospel itself… then that should have been challenged before accepting it. After first acceptance then that serves as an outline for judgement along with LOTS of prayer for other nuggets. It builds on. Before looking for nuggets it is highly suggested you ask for God’s guidance and for Him to teach you.
Of course nuggets you find or come to a conclusion should be discussed with fellow Christians for ideals and things that could have been missed or it can confirm it.
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
sure but not necessarily preached at. you have to challenge that too just like books. unless you are talking about the Gospel itself… then that should have been challenged before accepting it. After first acceptance then that serves as an outline for judgement along with LOTS of prayer for other nuggets. It builds on. Before looking for nuggets it is highly suggested you ask for God’s guidance and for Him to teach you.
Of course nuggets you find or come to a conclusion should be discussed with fellow Christians for ideals and things that could have been missed or it can confirm it.
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So you haven’t taken anyone’s word that the Epistle to the Hebrews is the inspired Word of God.

You read it, examined it, prayed about it, and then concluded that it was theopneustos?
 
PRmerger said:
Can you tell me where the the Apostles erred but a woman prevented them from erring, through support and companionship?
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If such a thing happened it would have probably been during their training with Christ and since the Apostles were the writers of most scripts, it is unlikely an event like that would have been recorded.

When one is trained by Christ and correctly that one trains another… errs should be minimal after training and the role of the woman would not likely be “fixing” their preaching. Prevention of err would still be met by supporting encouraging and being in prayer with the Apostle/man. There were more than one women present often among the disciples for a reason as they had a special role too.

But a direct scripture… no I cannot unless there is one I had forgotten about.

It would also be hard to imagine after Jesus leaving the Apostles separating and never communicating again with each other for how close they were and how much they had gone through together… and this would be the women too who stood by them during these times.
 
PRmerger said:
So you haven’t taken anyone’s word that the Epistle to the Hebrews is the inspired Word of God.

You read it, examined it, prayed about it, and then concluded that it was theopneustos?
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Sure a while ago. Of course a conclusion could be wrong but would eventually be corrected through time if still in communion with God esp Prayer.
 
unless you would consider…

Jesus told everyone he would be resurrected…
death came

and:

Mark 16:9-13
9Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons. 10She went and reported to those who had been with Him, while they were mourning and weeping. 11When they heard that He was alive and had been seen by her, they refused to believe it.
12After that, He appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking along on their way to the country. 13They went away and reported it to the others, but they did not believe them either.

of course after Jesus himself appeared and told them to preach and include the truth of his resurrection.

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or even LUKE
8:1 Soon afterwards he went on through cities and villages, proclaiming and bringing the good news of the kingdom of God. The twelve were with him, 8:2 as well as some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities: Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out, 8:3 and Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them out of their resources.
 
PRmerger said:
What was it about Hebrews that told you that it was theopneustos?
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It would be various things… both in scripture and then the theological support… I have taken classes if that is what you are wanting to know. It would be hard to talk about it as a book entirely as there is alot of information and dissecting.
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
Personally,

I believe that women’s place when it comes to teaching the word of God is at the man’s side as an encourager, supporter and under his instruction if she takes the pulpit or spotlight for a moment to teach.
This is not to say women are not good enough to be a teacher of the word of God…
But man and woman each have their own duties that are just important as the other and they should stay to their assigned positions.
Women are best at what they do, likewise men.
It is also a good example of family positions. Because of leadership of those who need teaching of the basics or encouraging.
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OMG I won’t even say what’s going through my mind. That is horrible. I am SOOOOO glad I’m not in the church any longer. SO glad.

Good job PR! When man thinks he is god inspired ONLY because he’s a man, RUN!!! Sadly Jesus chose to first appear to women, who were not considered credible witnesses in a court of law back then. Jesus must have messed up. He couldn’t possibly have wanted women to teach men, right? Why would he do something that is deliberately counter to what the men of that time expected? Appear first to women? I mean, how low can you go?

If St Teresa of Avila were here, say she beamed down, I highly doubt that any man (or woman) would say she had to check in and only be a man’s back up. She would teach/preach and instruct and we would listen.
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
prayer. you have to challenge everything. You got to ask God Himself about things. Personally I believe pieces of/about God are hidden everywhere you just have to find them… like nuggets of Gold. Some books would contain more than others… and few like the books of the bible are almost completely full of nuggets… if not fully.
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TheSeeker,

I’m curious. Where did you get the term “nuggets”? Is this a term that you came up with or did a pastor speak in this way?

And what books are not full of nuggets?

PnP
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
It would be various things… both in scripture and then the theological support… I have taken classes if that is what you are wanting to know. It would be hard to talk about it as a book entirely as there is alot of information and dissecting.
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So what did you compare it to, when you studied it in your class, in order to know that it was theopneustos?

And you did this with all 27 books of the NT?

Also, did you read, pray about and study all the other over 400 ancient Christian texts that were rejected by the Catholic Church to see if they were actually theopneustos?

For example, you studied the Epistle of Barnabas? And the Shepherd of Hermas?

What was it about those texts that told you it wasn’t inspired?
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
Sure a while ago. Of course a conclusion could be wrong but would eventually be corrected through time if still in communion with God esp Prayer.
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And what was it about 3 John that told you it was inspired?

Did you know that 3 John doesn’t even mention Jesus–not even once!

How is it that you knew that it was God’s Word?
 
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