Denominations which allow Women Pastors.

[TheSeeker2014]

What Seeker is professing is NOT Scriptural, Irishgal, nor is it consonant with Catholic teaching.

agreed

but from my point of view, biblical.

 

[PRmerger]

Perhaps but I recall a lengthy discussion with PRMerger over the word, ‘Catholic’

I agree with Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong, who states (paraphrasing) that is is ridiculous to claim that there are Roman Catholics, and then a subgroup of Catholics who are not subject to the Roman Pontiff.

And I agree with St. Augustine who states (paraphrasing) that everyone wants to claim the name “Catholic”, but when a stranger comes to your town and asks where is the local Catholic Church, we all know which church you would direct him to.

 

[PRmerger]

His sheep hears His voice and follows Him. They are led by the Spirit. Again… prayer.

This is true.

But you have to have the gospel first to know His Voice, right?

So how do you know what is the good news, Seeker?

I do not have any other secrets except maybe comparison from other literature that I have read that I believe is true from the same process. Truth in the end always stands…

But you have to have an original source which tells you something is theopneustos or not.

What is that source?

The voice of God through prayer?

And how does that differ from a Mormon telling us that his prayer has led him to believe that the Book of Mormon is theopneustos?

 

[PRmerger]

yes. Took a year or two (worked on everyday) it was only the basics on them. example who wrote or who could be the writer from this and this as clues … ect
way of lift at that time and the traditions that was commonly held in that place and time. ect
no as I am only so old and have not had enough time and probably never will. That is a group project to decide over many many many books.

A group in your church decided which books are theopneustos? And that the Catholic Church got it correct, at least as far as the 27 books of the NT?

Or did your group decide that some of the books were actually not inspired?

 

[TheSeeker2014]

This is true.

But you have to have the gospel first to know His Voice, right?

So how do you know what is the good news, Seeker?

But you have to have an original source which tells you something is theopneustos or not.

What is that source?

The voice of God through prayer?

And how does that differ from a Mormon telling us that his prayer has led him to believe that the Book of Mormon is theopneustos?

No you do not. Check this out,
The native americans, not knowing the gospel believed in the same Almighty God as the Jews and us.
They had not books or oral traditions of the same stories the Jews provided. They had their own, and own revelations they had concluded.
Through time, all lost their way and started to worship many Gods because they stopped praying to the Almighty. The only tribe that kept the same belief was the Cherokee. Known as the people of the Fire to other tribes. The Cherokee tribes did not have much of a problem accepting the “white man’s God” because they matched.

Also Adam and Eve knew His voice without knowing the Gospel both before and after the fall. Also stories in the Old Testament of non Jews knowing God and wanted to join the Jewish way of life.

All you need to do is be open. God speaks in hopes for whoever to answer the knocking door.

The voice of God through prayer?- yes

And how does that differ from a Mormon telling us that his prayer has led him to believe that the Book of Mormon is theopneustos?

• not much different, even the Book of Mormon has nuggets of Truth too. Technically, God inspired… inspired is the key word. It was still written by a human being like all other books. And it very well may have started completely true (Torah)… but eventually fell away. You can only hear the Holy Spirit clearly as much as your mind is clear. * Mind you very hard to do in a fallen state. So they could have the general basic idea… but their mind may be cluttered with cultural beliefs or societal ones or even traditional ones in the day that originally never had anything to do with Mormonism but leaked its way in.
  Then there are people who abuse the books, (even while writing them) and said, “God said…” that ends up giving a person or a group of people power that they should not be having.
  Prayer about whether something or not is true or is in agreement with God or is God’s voice is not an easy quick task… could take years to know for yourself. Seek and you will find and the truth will set you free.

 

[PRmerger]

No you do not. Check this out,
The native americans, not knowing the gospel believed in the same Almighty God as the Jews and us.
They had not books or oral traditions of the same stories the Jews provided. They had their own, and own revelations they had concluded.
Through time, all lost their way and started to worship many Gods because they stopped praying to the Almighty. The only tribe that kept the same belief was the Cherokee. Known as the people of the Fire to other tribes. The Cherokee tribes did not have much of a problem accepting the “white man’s God” because they matched.

Also Adam and Eve knew His voice without knowing the Gospel both before and after the fall. Also stories in the Old Testament of non Jews knowing God and wanted to join the Jewish way of life.

All you need to do is be open. God speaks in hopes for whoever to answer the knocking door.

The voice of God through prayer?- yes

And how does that differ from a Mormon telling us that his prayer has led him to believe that the Book of Mormon is theopneustos?

• not much different, even the Book of Mormon has nuggets of Truth too. Technically, God inspired… inspired is the key word. It was still written by a human being like all other books. And it very well may have started completely true (Torah)… but eventually fell away. You can only hear the Holy Spirit clearly as much as your mind is clear. * Mind you very hard to do in a fallen state. So they could have the general basic idea… but their mind may be cluttered with cultural beliefs or societal ones or even traditional ones in the day that originally never had anything to do with Mormonism but leaked its way in.
  Then there are people who abuse the books, (even while writing them) and said, “God said…” that ends up giving a person or a group of people power that they should not be having.
  Prayer about whether something or not is true or is in agreement with God or is God’s voice is not an easy quick task… could take years to know for yourself. Seek and you will find and the truth will set you free.

I am pretty sure that the above is not consistent with mainline Biblical Christianity.

Have you reviewed your beliefs above with your pastor?

It would appear that you are saying that the Mormons, who seek and pray, and yet declare that God is not a Trinity, are just fine with what they profess?

 

[PRmerger]

No you do not. Check this out,
The native americans, not knowing the gospel believed in the same Almighty God as the Jews and us.

So it is your belief that if the Epistle to the Hebrews were presented to them that they would have been able to know that it was theopneustos?

 

[TheSeeker2014]

A group in your church decided which books are theopneustos? And that the Catholic Church got it correct, at least as far as the 27 books of the NT?

Or did your group decide that some of the books were actually not inspired?

No each person has their own thoughts whether in the church or not.
Yes.
All 27 books are inspired.referring to the divine inspiration-theopneustos
Let me use another example
Jesus told a parable… the people in the parable may have not been real people… the the story was still God inspired… (yes Jesus was God but did not have the same thoughts as God so God inspired for this example.)
Or the book of tobit ( Raphael ) in the Catholic Bible…it has been proven that some historical and theological errors in Tobit … would it still not be God inspired? The truths are in it… nuggets… but the whole thing may not be true in a logical technical sense.
Some people out there believe the same about the story of Noah…
Not saying the Mormon book is correct… however if one reads it they need to be in prayer and have a discerning spirit. Nugget searching.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

So it is your belief that if the Epistle to the Hebrews were presented to them that they would have been able to know that it was theopneustos?

Yes and they did. The Cherokee tribe anyway then random other Indians who were open to God and accepting Him for who He is.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

I am pretty sure that the above is not consistent with mainline Biblical Christianity.

Have you reviewed your beliefs above with your pastor?

It would appear that you are saying that the Mormons, who seek and pray, and yet declare that God is not a Trinity, are just fine with what they profess?

It would appear that you are saying that the Mormons, who seek and pray, and yet declare that God is not a Trinity, are just fine with what they profess?
no. Like I said, they fell away
They errored in their processes and did not re-evaluate periodically… ones who did changed religion.

and yes He knows I read things with an open mind.

 

[PRmerger]

No each person has their own thoughts whether in the church or not.

So how do you know if someone’s thoughts are a correct interpretation of the Word of God?

And you still haven’t explained how one knows if something actually IS the Word of God?

Especially if he has his “own thoughts”, through prayer.

HOW does one know that something is theopneustos?

The Catholic answer is, of course, because the Catholic Church discerned which of the 400 ancient Christian texts were inspired, and which ones weren’t.

But if you deny the authority of the CC here, then you must rely on your own authority.

And that means that you cannot stop someone else from deciding which books are inspired and which ones are not.

How do you know, Seeker? How do you know?

 

[PRmerger]

Yes and they did. The Cherokee tribe anyway then random other Indians who were open to God and accepting Him for who He is.

No, Seeker.

No Cherokee or “random other Indians” were able to get a text, read it, and then decide if it was inspired or not.

That’s just gaga lala nonsense.

In fact, that smacks of superstition. As if people have some sort of magical power to read a book and know, infallibly, whether it’s the Word of God or not, especially if they don’t even have a Bible to compare it to.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

No, Seeker.

No Cherokee or “random other Indians” were able to get a text, read it, and then decide if it was inspired or not.

That’s just gaga lala nonsense.

In fact, that smacks of superstition. As if people have some sort of magical power to read a book and know, infallibly, whether it’s the Word of God or not, especially if they don’t even have a Bible to compare it to.

I told you how it is not a magical power. And I said THEY DID. are you telling me they did not? then you need to argue with the Cherokee Nation on that. They would know about their own people’s history and current lives. They did so after the pioneers brought it. And we were not talking aobut the Word of God… but God inspired. Two different things. They do not need to compare it to the bible… are you telling me one cannot know God if they do not have a bible? What if the Catholic Church made a mistake on discerning? Would you be that careless not to look into things like the Church [H]as… the Church is made up of man. I’m just saying you have to decide things for yourself and not reply upon MAN… which is why you pray. and be led by the Spirit which being led by the Spirit is script alone]

 

[TheSeeker2014]

So how do you know if someone’s thoughts are a correct interpretation of the Word of God?

And you still haven’t explained how one knows if something actually IS the Word of God?

Especially if he has his “own thoughts”, through prayer.

HOW does one know that something is theopneustos?

The Catholic answer is, of course, because the Catholic Church discerned which of the 400 ancient Christian texts were inspired, and which ones weren’t.

But if you deny the authority of the CC here, then you must rely on your own authority.

And that means that you cannot stop someone else from deciding which books are inspired and which ones are not.

How do you know, Seeker? How do you know?

again we were not talking aobut the Word of God… reason why i did not explain it is because you did not ask.

already said.

They would have done the same process.

not saying I need to stop anyone.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

How do you know if someone’s thoughts are a correct interpretation of the Word of God?

Ask God Himself. What exactly He says. Simple, but not quick.

 

[PRmerger]

I told you how it is not a magical power.

I am sorry. *Where *did you explain to me how someone can read a Christian text and discern whether it’s theopneustos or not?

And I said THEY DID. are you telling me they did not? then you need to argue with the Cherokee Nation on that.

They took the word of the Catholic Church, which discerned for them that there are 27 books in the NT.

They DID NOT read certain texts and discern for themselves whether it was inspired or not.

 

[TheSeeker2014]

I am sorry. *Where *did you explain to me how someone can read a Christian text and discern whether it’s theopneustos or not?

They took the word of the Catholic Church, which discerned for them that there are 27 books in the NT.

They DID NOT read certain texts and discern for themselves whether it was inspired or not.

when I said prayer… which for some reason is being ignored.
no.[they did not take the word of the church that the 27 books were God inspired.]
sure they did because it was seen at first as an foreign god. They were not stupid and had the ability to read… not to mention bibles were translated into their language and many learned english.

 

[Porknpie]

Nuggets is my own description… and are you asking about books in the bible that are not full of nuggets? Or just books in general that talk about God?

If you are contending that there are books of the bible not full of nuggets, I am curious to know when ones and on what subjects?

PnP

 

[TheSeeker2014]

If you are contending that there are books of the bible not full of nuggets, I am curious to know when ones and on what subjects?

PnP

No book will be nothing but nuggets unless it was God’s words Himself talking (Jesus). Only because man is in a fallen state and no matter how much one tries their mind will not be completely clear. Traditions, culture, and society standards of diverse kinds can and often do slip into religious texts. Just the fact of being in a fallen state. For me to tell you every tid bit I would have to read through they whole bible… and do my process while taking notes which would be years.

 

[Porknpie]

His sheep hears His voice and follows Him. They are led by the Spirit. Again… prayer. I do not have any other secrets except maybe comparison from other literature that I have read that I believe is true from the same process. Truth in the end always stands…

The Seeker,

However, keep in mind how one hears his voice; by listening to those in The Church that He established. He is addressing the first Bishops of his Church, the apostles. We follow him when we follow the teachings of his Church. When we do not listen to his Church, we are not listening to him … we are not listening thus to the one who sent him. To quote PR, we then follow the Church of “I Almighty”.

Luke 10:16
16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”