Denominations which allow Women Pastors.

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Porknpie said:
The Seeker,

However, keep in mind how one hears his voice; by listening to those in The Church that He established. He is addressing the first Bishops of his Church, the apostles. We follow him when we follow the teachings of his Church. When we do not listen to his Church, we are not listening to him … we are not listening thus to the one who sent him. To quote PR, we then follow the Church of “I Almighty”.

Luke 10:16
16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”
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I have to disagree… crusades for example

The script you pulled up is referring to witnessing of Jesus and the miracles he had performed. The seventy two could not have even been considered the established church as we know it yet because Peter as not been said to be the rock which the church is built upon yet. That script is referring to something completely different than the current established church. They were under [direct] instruction along under Christ and texts that people go by today were not even written yet. (NT ones anyway)
I do agree however it is wise to listen to the Church…and we should… but we should also test it. nothing wrong in that if doing it sincerely. God will correct if one strays if they are truely searching… He does not want to be represented.

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Also before a church was established they had spoken to Him. Priests, OT would have spoke to God… Prayer is also Key.

How the Catholic Church establishes what should be in the bible cannon as main study was done by studying the texts and testing it. (consistency, who, wrote, when, where and how it was found what the papers are made of ect)… But prayer was also added. Direct conversation with God. He is audible.
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
no, I have my own choices in life whether they existed or not, thanks.
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But you have the choice because of the Crusades.

Otherwise, you would have been Muslim. Because of their sword.

Thankfully, Christendom (that is, the CC) stood up against their sword.
 
PRmerger said:
But you have the choice because of the Crusades.

Otherwise, you would have been Muslim. Because of their sword.

Thankfully, Christendom (that is, the CC) stood up against their sword.
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no, one cannot take away the choice of another…

EDIT ] does your stance" Otherwise, you would have been Muslim. Because of their sword. " imply that you would deny Christ if someone held a sword to you now? Just curious.
 
PRmerger said:
This is very Catholic.

The question is whether defending oneself is murder.

It is not.
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There are ways of defending besides killing. It would have to be last resort… I am sure the Crusades did not use that as last resort. They also killed Jews… which would be proof. If it was to rid muslims because they were out to kill the Christians and actually committing the act at that moment, why kill the Jews?

Plus organized murder… why not take that time to organize some other method of defending?

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I bet the[y] killed innocent Muslims that didnt attack Christians…because it was not just defense… it was elimination of something they didn’t agree with.

Even the Church apologizes because they now it was wrong after re-evaluating.
 
I am a woman that aspires to attend seminary after college, God willing. I feel I have as much to give as any man, to God and for God, so I am at peace. God bless ! Kelly
 
and even as last resort techn i would still be murder…
Turn the other cheek
38"You have heard that it was said, ‘AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.’ 39"But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40"If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat also.…Matthew 5
Martyrs is a blessing according the the Bible. An honor actually to die for Christ.
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REV14
12Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. 13And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.”
REV 20
4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God,
 
Kellyreneeomara said:
I am a woman that aspires to attend seminary after college, God willing. I feel I have as much to give as any man, to God and for God, so I am at peace. God bless ! Kelly
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That’s true. And non-seminary trained Christians also have as much to offer as any seminary-trained Christian. In the same way, the Catholic Church does not teach that human beings with penises have more to offer than human beings with vaginas.
 
benjohnson said:
The Lutheran response would be: God’s will first. Then aspire to do what He asks.
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And hopefully… Lutherans don’t believe one needs theological training, or a white collar in order to do what He asks…
 
TheSeeker2014 said:
I have to disagree… crusades for example
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What is your suggestion then of what society was to do when Christian lands were overrun by Muslims?
I do agree however it is wise to listen to the Church…and we should… but we should also test it. nothing wrong in that if doing it sincerely. God will correct if one strays if they are truely searching… He does not want to be represented.
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We have common ground here The Seeker if you do in fact listen to The Church that he established.

Where in scripture does it say that we should test Christ’s Church?
How the Catholic Church establishes what should be in the bible cannon as main study was done by studying the texts and testing it.
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Do you have evidence in history for this practice? Actually, St Jerome was sent by the Pope to look at what books were being read at Mass and what books had their origins in apostolic faith. They did not study and test. Rather they looked at what what the Church believed to be consistent with the apostolic faith. The bible came from the Church, not the Church from the bible.

It’s important to note that the same Church that determined the Canon (led by Christ’s promised to guide the Church to all truth) also believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

If you can not trust the Church on the latter, then neither can you trust the bible you have is inspired and inerrant. You can not trust it is the Word of God.

PnP
 
stewstew03 said:
And hopefully… Lutherans don’t believe one needs theological training, or a white collar in order to do what He asks…
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Well, my daughter, for example, as a teacher in a Lutheran parochial school, is doing God’s will without the collar.
However, there are certain things God’s will calls the Church to do, that require a ministerial priesthood.
My daughter can’t be called for that collar.
Jon
 
stewstew03 said:
That’s true. And non-seminary trained Christians also have as much to offer as any seminary-trained Christian. In the same way, the Catholic Church does not teach that human beings with penises have more to offer than human beings with vaginas.
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NEVER SAID THEY DID 😃 LOL God bless you 🙂
 
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