DePaul University Tramples Our Catholic Identity!

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**DePaul University Plans Pro-Homosexual Conference, Tramples Catholic Identity **

He who allows himself to be ruled or guided by the lower and animal part of his nature, deserves to be called a beast rather than a man. – Saint Vincent de Paul

As the largest Catholic university in America with over 23,000 students, DePaul University plans to host a pro-homosexual conference on October 19-20, titled: Out There: The Second National Conference of Scholars and Student Affairs Personnel Involved in LGBTQ Issues on Catholic Campuses.

Students and parents are praying, protesting and calling for its cancellation.
  • Click here to sign your e-protest or go to the following link:
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The first Out There conference was held in California at Santa Clara University, a Jesuit institution. It drew pro-homosexual activists from Georgetown, Fordham, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, DePaul, Boston College, College of the Holy Cross, La Salle, and others. Attendees included feminist professor Linda Garber, author of Tilting the Tower: Lesbians Teaching Queer Subjects, the Rev. Thomas Brennan, a self-proclaimed homosexual priest and professor at Saint Joseph’s University, and Mark D. Jordan, author of The Silence of Sodom: Homosexuality in Modern Catholicism.

Talks at the first annual Out There conference included: Coming Out Issues in a Catholic College Setting,1 Curriculum and Same-Sex Marriage in a Jesuit University, and Can I Be Gay and Catholic? Encouraging Theological Engagement and Reflection on LGBTQ Issues.2

DePaul University needs your prayers. In addition to the planned Out There conference, the university recognizes two pro-homosexual student groups, Outlaws3 and Spectrum4. Activities held on campus reveal a consistent trend to uproot Catholic morality and natural law. For example:
  • January, 2006: Despite the opposition of Catholic students, a Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer Studies minor is created.5
  • February, 2006: The feminist play The V-Monologues is performed, a production that includes graphic descriptions of lesbian lewdness and debauchery.6 Some students even mocked St. Vincent de Paul with a sign that read: Even Vinny DePaul was a feminist
  • October, 2006: Spectrum holds a Coming Out Day, where pro-homosexual students stage a public same-sex Kiss-in at the Student Center.
  • April, 2007: Spectrum hosts its third annual Spectrum Week. According to the student newspaper The DePaulia, university president Fr. Dennis H. Holtschneider speaks at the event in support of queer programs. Following the priest’s talk, a radical homosexual activist and notorious prostitute also speaks. Students are encouraged to dress in androgynous fashions.8
  • Spring, 2007: College of Law professor, Donald Hermann, organizes a seminar that promotes the legalization of same-sex marriage.9
Pray and Peacefully Protest, DePaul University’s Catholic identity is being uprooted. A wakeup call is needed. The time to speak up is now. TFP Student Action is calling on thousands across the country to join its urgent protest by contacting DePaul University. If nothing is said now, what will happen to Catholic higher education

Concerned students and parents must stand up and defend traditional Catholic morality.

Catholic college students are sick of our hyper-sexualized culture. The homosexual agenda is jammed down their throats on the news, on the Internet, in the classroom now even on Catholic campuses, said TFP Student Action Director John Ritchie. But thank God, more and more students are waking up. They realize that a culture without morals leads to anarchy.

Catholic universities should be centers of virtue and purity, not sin and scandal. The Catholic Church teaches that homosexual vice is a grave sin, not something to celebrate or be comfortable with, Ritchie added.

Sign your instant e-protest to Fr. Dennis Holtschneider, C.M., president of DePaul University. Call for the cancellation of the pro-homosexual Out There conference scheduled in October. Be polite and respectful, but firm. The salvation of souls, especially of our youth, are at stake.

Respectfully call or write to:

Fr. Dennis H. Holtschneider, C.M.
DePaul University President
1 East Jackson Boulevard
Chicago, Illinois 60604-2287
Phone: 312-362-8890
Fax: 312-362-6822
E-mail: dholtsch@depaul.edu
E-mail: president@depaul.edu

Francis Cardinal George
Archdiocese of Chicago
155 E. Superior Street
Chicago, Illinois 60611
Phone: 312-751-8230 Press 4
Fax: 312-751-5307
 
It might be worth repeating that most institutions which were founded as Catholic colleges and universities long ago - in the 1960s - separated off from Church control and formed lay Boards of Directors, etc.

In short, they are no longer controlled by the Catholic Church. A bishop has little or no say as to what goes on there. That goes for Cardinals, too.

That is not to say that there is nothing that can be done; but as to what exactly it is hard to say.

If anyone wants to write to Cardinal George, they might want to do some extensive research beforehand to find out what, if anything, the good Cardinal is able to do in Canon law; otherwise it is simply a spleen venting issue. In short, without suggesting a viable remedy, the letter may not be worth the paper it is written on.

Folks, this has been going on for lo these 40 years. Letters, by the ream, have been written, and it continues to go on. The old phrase “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result” comes to mind; in other words, it is an exhibition of insanity…

If you want to change something at the University, then you need to do it where they live. And where they live is in the pocket book. Getting the alumni - particularly the alumni who have deep pockets and give significant sums - to cut off the life blood (money) is a good way to get someone’s attention.

Writing to the Cardinal is not.
 
Dear OTJM
Well there’s a lot in what you say, but I’ve never written a letter. I am mailing it all over the place and I will add this to my daily Rosary intention. I mean no disrespect, if this is so well known, why didn’t I know of it?
If we are defeated before even trying, then we will never make a difference. Besides my conscience would not be clear if I were to receive such an email and not do anything about it.
I welcome new ideas, and solutions!👍 Please give it another shot, add it to your rosary intentions and perhaps pen another letter. God Bless you!
=========here is one letter that I have written=======

**Dear Sirs, and Madame,

I would like to believe that the article I read in an email yesterday was somehow an urban legend. But as it turns out, sadly it is true. Let me take a sampling of the email so that you know what I am referring to:**

As the largest Catholic university in America with over 23,000 students, DePaul University plans to host a pro-homosexual conference on October 19-20, titled: Out There: The Second National Conference of Scholars and Student Affairs Personnel Involved in LGBTQ Issues on Catholic Campuses

**The above is a relatively ‘tame’ section of the email. But it gives you an idea of what I’m referring to.

Come on, what is going on here? Practicing Catholics believe that we are taught to love the sinner HATE THE SIN. Not celebrate the sin by giving it a platform. Would you promote any other sin in this way? For example, we all know that stealing is a sin. Would you welcome thieves to your college to give them equal billing? We certainly want to be politically correct and allow the thieves out there to come out of the closets and be who they are. Or perhaps someone in charge is secretly a thief and needs justification for his/her actions. Here are some activities:

THIEVES COMING OUT WEEK FESTIVITIES

Monday: Students are asked to leave their dorms unlocked to support the Thieves
Tuesday: Dr. Idunit will lecture on how to overcome guilt from your parents
Wednesday: Fr. Idowhatiwant will have a special blessing for the success of the Thieves
Thursday: Family day, all families are welcomed, come support the Thieves
Friday: Lecture series, “How much should I tithe from my thievery?”

We are all called to be Saints. We as practicing Catholics must fight the temptation to sin. Hell is real. But so is forgiveness. Please do the right thing and step up to the plate and stop this modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. Think of the young lives that you are destroying.

Jeremiah 23:1, Woe to the shepherds who mislead and scatter the flock of my pasture, says the LORD.

As scholars, you know that many Saints started out as sinners. It is never to late to humble oneself and repent. Gods divine mercy is endless. What is the definition of endless? It means never ending. Please do not allow one more part of the flock be mislead by your sin. End it now.

I will pray for your success!
Peace be with you,
Judith**​

 
Dear OTJM
Well there’s a lot in what you say, but I’ve never written a letter. I am mailing it all over the place and I will add this to my daily Rosary intention. I mean no disrespect, if this is so well known, why didn’t I know of it?
If we are defeated before even trying, then we will never make a difference. Besides my conscience would not be clear if I were to receive such an email and not do anything about it.
I welcome new ideas, and solutions!👍 Please give it another shot, add it to your rosary intentions and perhaps pen another letter. God Bless you!People tend to react rather than reflect. It may be in part because I have been around since before Vatican 2, and in part because I am an “observer”; that is, I don’t just see what is happening immediately, but I also put it in context. No, I am not a historian (I hated history - and had to suffer through history classes in grade school, high school and college -Argh!), but I do have a sense of history. And the history is that there have been dissenters since Humanae Vitae blew sky high; and people have been writing to their bishops ever since then. Guess what - we still have dissenters, many of them the same ones that were dissenting 30+ years ago. Can anyone draw a conclusion to this set of facts other than simply saying that the bishops are liberal? Some of them are. But all of them? Please, spare me.

I do not suggest anyone be hopeless in this issue. I do suggest we stop the mantra of “write your bishop”. To begin with, most bishops don’t open their own mail - hint: if someone who opens it and deals with issues doesn’t like what you are saying, it goes in the “round file”. Point 1 - writing to the bishop generically doesn’t even get to him; he obviously isn’t going to act.

Point 2 - if it gets to him and there is nothing legally that can be done in Canon law (the school is no longer a Church school but a private institution), then the letter writes are most likely going to blame the bishop for being a liberal. Letter writing in this case only results in slander and libel of the bishop, based on a presumtion (wrong) that he can do something and “chose not to”.

Nowhere do I or have I ever suggested that nothing should be done about this mess in so-called Catholic schools.

What I suggest is that if someone wants something done, then they need to follow a path that leads toward an acomplishable goal. Letter writing might make the letter writer feel good, but this isn’t about feeling good.

The only thing I have seen in all the years I have watched this chaos is when a group of influential alumni and alumnae have decided they were going to do something about it. They did - they threatened to cut off money. Amazing how attitudes changed.

So. We have 35 to 40 years of letter writing - no results. We have alumni/alumnae who have banded together and demanded a change or no funds. We got change.

What part of this is so hard to understand? I do not mean to be mean, nasty, rude, or socially unadjustable, but I see it because I have looked at what has happened in the past, rather than simply focusing on the event in front of me, and because I would like to see change, too. I suggest that others do likewise. I am not giving up hope; rather, I am hoping that someone will get some common sense and actually do something.

Letter writing is not that something.

Prayer is good. So is taking effective action. I have no problem with either.
 
What part of this is so hard to understand? I do not mean to be mean, nasty, rude, or socially unadjustable, but I see it because I have looked at what has happened in the past, rather than simply focusing on the event in front of me, and because I would like to see change, too. I suggest that others do likewise. I am not giving up hope; rather, I am hoping that someone will get some common sense and actually do something.

Letter writing is not that something.

Prayer is good. So is taking effective action. I have no problem with either.
Well I’m still waiting for a good suggestion from you. 😃

Seriously though, you are wrong about not hearing from the Bishop after writing a letter. For that matter I sent him an email. I received an official letter back.

Also, today we live in a ‘new age’ with the ability to involve all … not just the scholars who eat lunch together and mull over the latest intellectual articles they’ve encountered… but all of us, mothers at home like me, and beyond … through email.

Maybe I’m an optimist, but today is a new day, and I say we start with prayer, add some emails, and snail mails to the mix, and perhaps along the lines we will be shown a better tactic.

Bottom line: People need to know what is going on. If this does nothing but alert people, like me at home, about what is going on out there then it has accomplished something. We need to know. This might be old news to some, but nonetheless it needs to spread. Someone, if they haven’t been aborted, will hear the call and do what needs to be done.

Faith.
 
Well I’m still waiting for a good suggestion from you. 😃 \QUOTE]And I gave one. Go after the money.
SaintMaker;2854919:
Seriously though, you are wrong about not hearing from the Bishop after writing a letter. For that matter I sent him an email. I received an official letter back.
Written by the bishop, or someone else in the chancery and signed by him after he may or may not have read it? I don’t say all bishops don’t read their mail. And many people do not have the bishop’s private email, but one that goes to the chancery just as the snail mail does. Short of setting an appointment for face time with him, I am unconvinced that any given letter is actually going to be read by any given bishop. I have hear too much of how chanceries operate.
Also, today we live in a ‘new age’ with the ability to involve all … not just the scholars who eat lunch together and mull over the latest intellectual articles they’ve encountered… but all of us, mothers at home like me, and beyond … through email.

Maybe I’m an optimist, but today is a new day, and I say we start with prayer, add some emails, and snail mails to the mix, and perhaps along the lines we will be shown a better tactic.
Please read my posts again. The Cardinal has no say over the private institution, any more than he does about the University of Illinois, unless someone can show an effective part of the Code of Canon law he can invoke - and that would have to be against individuals in the university.
[Bottom line: People need to know what is going on. If this does nothing but alert people, like me at home, about what is going on out there then it has accomplished something. We need to know. This might be old news to some, but nonetheless it needs to spread. Someone, if they haven’t been aborted, will hear the call and do what needs to be done.

Faith.
I have no bone to pick about information concerning what the school has done. I do have one about the mantra “write your bishop” when I fail to see what he is supposed to do. Magic wands went out with high button shoes and the movie Cinderella. You want to start a letter writing campaign? Then find out who the big givers are and focus on them. They can make a difference. The Cardinal can’t, other than a moral protest. I would suggest that moral protests have been made over the last 30 to 40 yers, and we are not seeing a change in behavior. May I suggest we try something different if we expect a different result?
 
OTJM is right. Letter writing is a waste of time. Generating publicity, however, is not. Spread the word about this outrage as widely as you can, draw as much attention to it as you can, make as big a commotion as you can – and you may just get the attention of university officials. Bad publicity leads to fewer donations (see OTJM’s remarks above). The establishment media are generally pro-homosexual, but they’re also generally anti-Catholic, so they may find a glaring example of “Catholic hypocrisy” newsworthy. Send press releases to all the local media. Stage public protests, with visually appealing gimmicks, early enough in the day to make the 6 o’clock news. Post on local websites. Post on Catholic websites. Figure out ways to get the word out to alumni and donors. Turn up the heat.

The biggest problem you have, unfortunately, is that – thanks to decades of desensitization – the general public (especially younger people) no longer finds homosexuality repugnant.
 
The biggest problem you have, unfortunately, is that – thanks to decades of desensitization – the general public (especially younger people) no longer finds homosexuality repugnant.
I think you are right here. We went from bad to worse. There was a time when gays were attacked. We know that is just wrong. Like bombing an an abortion clinic. It’s not the way to go. But instead of loving the sinner and hating the sin, we’ve embraced it. The devil can be tricky.
 
GOD is quite Clear:

Leviticus 18:22


Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: because it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13

If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination: let them be put to death. Their blood be upon them.

**Genesis 19:24 **

And the Lord rained upon sodom and Gomorrha brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.

**St Luke 17:29 **

And in the day that Lot went out of sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all

St Jude 1:7

As sodom and Gomorrha and the neighbouring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.

**1 Corinthians 6:9 -10 **

Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers:
Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God.

**Romans 1:18 **
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice:
 
Unfortunately, while DePaul may be the largest Catholic university in the country, it is well known that the school does not adhere to the teachings of the Church. At one time we considered sending our three college-aged kids there - until we looked into the school a bit and realized that this isn’t a Catholic school at all. Alumni need to speak with their wallets; keep them closed. Perhaps I don’t understand canon law, but why can’t the Church (through the cardinal, archdiocese, etc.) instruct the school that unless this behavior is stopped they will no longer be allowed to call themselves “Catholic”?
 
Unfortunately, while DePaul may be the largest Catholic university in the country, it is well known that the school does not adhere to the teachings of the Church. At one time we considered sending our three college-aged kids there - until we looked into the school a bit and realized that this isn’t a Catholic school at all. Alumni need to speak with their wallets; keep them closed. Perhaps I don’t understand canon law, but why can’t the Church (through the cardinal, archdiocese, etc.) instruct the school that unless this behavior is stopped they will no longer be allowed to call themselves “Catholic”?
Because they are run by a board of directors. They might be “affiliated” with a Catholic group or order, but by that board of directors, the school separates itself from what might be considered “interference” by His Eminence. Loyola-Chicago does the same thing.

Should he tell them that? He could. I think he should. Would it make a difference? The land is held by the board of trustees, not by the Cardinal Archbishop of Chicago, a Corporation Sole. They could call it “DePaul University, Largest University with Catholic Roots” and leave it at that.

And here’s what is really sad: Smaller second and third tier schools that still have some Catholic identity see what DePaul et al do, and then copy it, thinking it will get them more students. A lot of times, it backfires.

I am thinking of one small unviersity to the southwest of DePaul, that has more than one department chair from DePaul. A class was proposed and promoted in LGBTQ, including as part of the syllabus visiting with a “happily married” lesbian couple raising children, as part of the philosophy department’s offerings.

I am happy to report it fell flat.

Alumni need to speak with their wallets and their presence. Letters are good. Pickets and personal phone calls to department chairs, board of trustee members, Cardinal George, sympathetic newspaper columnists, and even the Vatican, are better.
 
Unfortunately, while DePaul may be the largest Catholic university in the country, it is well known that the school does not adhere to the teachings of the Church. At one time we considered sending our three college-aged kids there - until we looked into the school a bit and realized that this isn’t a Catholic school at all. Alumni need to speak with their wallets; keep them closed. Perhaps I don’t understand canon law, but why can’t the Church (through the cardinal, archdiocese, etc.) instruct the school that unless this behavior is stopped they will no longer be allowed to call themselves “Catholic”?
This is my question exactly. If they are not adhering to the teachings of the Church, and especially if they are so blatantly going against everything the Church stands for and profess as truth, they indeed are not Catholic Colleges at all. And the President of this college is a Catholic Priest? Why are Catholics associating themselves at all with Universities that are promoting sin? Guess I am not understanding how this all works, but in a College or University that is promoting what the Catholic Church teaches is sinful, why are there Catholic Priests there at all? What’s up with that? The Church teaches one thing but does another?
 
I think Pope John Paul II’s 1990 exhortation Ex Corde Ecclesiae speaks directly to the issue of Catholic Higher Education. I also think it places Catholic Univeristies under the direction of the local bishop. Here is the exhortation: vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html

Here is the reference to the authority of the bishop: “§ 2. Each Bishop has a responsibility to promote the welfare of the Catholic Universities in his diocese and has the right and duty to watch over the preservation and strengthening of their Catholic character. If problems should arise conceming this Catholic character, the local Bishop is to take the initiatives necessary to resolve the matter, working with the competent university authorities in accordance with established procedures(52) and, if necessary, with the help of the Holy See.”

Since that time, many efforts have been done to correct the wayward institutions. One such organization is the Cardinal Newman Society. You can find information at www.cardinalnewmansociety.org. Their newsletter and campaigns have been very successful. They also provide a list of universities that have their theologians sign the mandatum.

The Cardinal Newman Society is another practical way to put pressure on universities that call themselves Catholic to act Catholic.
 
They could call it “DePaul University, Largest University with Catholic Roots” and leave it at that.
For awhile (back in the mid 90s) this is precisely what such institutions were doing. They would say something like, “We are an institution which has it’s history in a Catholic tradition.” Which was a polite way of saying, “We used to be Catholic, but don’t want to tell everyone that we really are only marginally so now.”
And here’s what is really sad: Smaller second and third tier schools that still have some Catholic identity see what DePaul et al do, and then copy it, thinking it will get them more students. A lot of times, it backfires.
Sadly, university education is nothing more than business nowadays and not primarily concerned with learning, wisdom, truth. As Cardinal George has rightly referred to the norm nowadays (though he, also, notes that a Catholic College is supposed to be something more), such joints as really nothing more than glorified trade schools.
Alumni need to speak with their wallets and their presence. Letters are good. Pickets and personal phone calls to department chairs, board of trustee members, Cardinal George, sympathetic newspaper columnists, and even the Vatican, are better.
Several years ago, I recall Cardinal George (who isn’t unaware of these things) was being challenged by someone as to what he was going to do about it. (I think, at the time, the complaint was about Catholic high school issue, actually, but its the same concept, basically, considering that most of Chicago’s Catholic high schools aren’t run by the Archdiocese, but religious orders.) His reply was that people (especially alumni) ought to express their concern directly to the institutions’ leaders more than to him. As he went on to quip, “They’re going to listen to you more than they will to me!”

I do think that the good news is that the tide is generally changing, with some positive movement on certain fronts in Catholic university environments these days. (Yes, even at DePaul, where I am aquainted a bit more intimately with some happennings than merely reading reports.) But it will take a long time to turn around such a massive ship.
 
This is my question exactly. If they are not adhering to the teachings of the Church, and especially if they are so blatantly going against everything the Church stands for and profess as truth, they indeed are not Catholic Colleges at all. And the President of this college is a Catholic Priest? Why are Catholics associating themselves at all with Universities that are promoting sin? Guess I am not understanding how this all works, but in a College or University that is promoting what the Catholic Church teaches is sinful, why are there Catholic Priests there at all? What’s up with that? The Church teaches one thing but does another?
The Catholic Church does not do one thing and teach another; it teaches one thing and does it.

However, the priest there is a member of an order (over which the Cardinal has no control - the order has the control); the order may well be teaching one thing and the priest another. That would not be the first instance in the last 2000 years that occured.

One could write to the order; but the order most likely will say that the issue is controlled by the Baord of Directors of the University, and we are back to where I started; writing letters, unless you are writing to someone who can actually do something, only serve to vent your spleen, and since they do not accomplish anything, odds are your spleen will be full shortly thereafter.
 
I think Pope John Paul II’s 1990 exhortation Ex Corde Ecclesiae speaks directly to the issue of Catholic Higher Education. I also think it places Catholic Univeristies under the direction of the local bishop.
No, it doesn’t place anything under the bishop in terms of the University; that is a legal entity spearate from the Church. What it does is address individuals who teach theology and claim to be doing so “in” the Church, whether that is at a university that purports to be Catholic, or one that actually is. For example, Charles Curran of dissent the Humanae Vitae fame got his ticekt pulled; last I heard he was teacning theology at a Protestant school. But it does not affect the university.
Here is the exhortation: vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html

Here is the reference to the authority of the bishop: “§ 2. Each Bishop has a responsibility to promote the welfare of the Catholic Universities in his diocese and has the right and duty to watch over the preservation and strengthening of their Catholic character. If problems should arise conceming this Catholic character, the local Bishop is to take the initiatives necessary to resolve the matter, working with the competent university authorities in accordance with established procedures(52) and, if necessary, with the help of the Holy See.”
Note the document was written for the world, not just the US. In the US, many Catholic Universities became independent non-profit corporations with a Board aof Directors of both laymen and religious, but they were no longer owned by either the religious community or the diocese.
Since that time, many efforts have been done to correct the wayward institutions. One such organization is the Cardinal Newman Society. You can find information at www.cardinalnewmansociety.org. Their newsletter and campaigns have been very successful. They also provide a list of universities that have their theologians sign the mandatum.

The Cardinal Newman Society is another practical way to put pressure on universities that call themselves Catholic to act Catholic.
Again, the most effective route is through money, which means alumni and other donors; and one has to first convince them that it is wise to cut funds.

And what everyone is forgetting is the issue of tenure, which is a legal status for a professor; once they reach that there are limited things that a school can do. That may not be the case herein, as it doesn’t appear to be driven by a specific professor; but keep it in mind.
 
There will be those who will say he should have been stronger, and those who will say he should have been softer.

I don’t see how. He called 'em as he saw 'em. The only thing to my mind he could have done was attempted to shut the thing down in the first place, but again, there are those pesky board of directors members.
 
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