Depressing article about abortion

[eann]

I read a really depressing article yesterday about a woman who had multiple abortions and it is still bothering me. Not only has she had them, but she is standing up for herself…talking about how it is her right. Her flippant attitude is really disgusting to me. How do we respond to this perspective. How does she not understand it is not her body, but a new, separate life?
I don’t think I’ve ever started a thread here. I just feel the need to share with a group who would understand how heartbtreaking this is.
I know the best thing to do is pray for this woman/these women who feel as though their unborn children are problems to be done away with, and not a challenge/turn in the road that are ultimate blessings.

'I Had Two Abortions—But The Hardest Part Was Telling My Mother'

 

[Dan_Defender]

It is depressing. I learned today that the first country to legalize abortion was Russia, in the early 20th century. And that reminded me of the words of the apparition at Fatima, that ‘Russia will spread her errors to the world’

 

[steve-b]

I read a really depressing article yesterday about a woman who had multiple abortions and it is still bothering me. Not only has she had them, but she is standing up for herself…talking about how it is her right. Her flippant attitude is really disgusting to me. How do we respond to this perspective. How does she not understand it is not her body, but a new, separate life?
I don’t think I’ve ever started started a thread here. I just feel the need to share with a group who would understand how heartbtreaking this is.
I know the best thing to do is pray for this woman/these women who feel as though their unborn children are problems to be done away with, and not a challenge/turn in the road that are ultimate blessings.

'I Had Two Abortions—But The Hardest Part Was Telling My Mother'

Yes , pray.

Paraphrased, Aquinas said, for a person who has faith no explanation is necessary, to one without faith no explanation is sufficient.

Lots of people fit the 2nd part of that saying. I think of Jesus in Jn 6:66. Most of His disciples left Him over His teaching on the Eucharist. Could Jesus force them to believe? Yes. Why didn’t He do that? He gave us all free will. And with that freedom comes ownership for what we choose to do. AND makes us culpable for what we do, reward for the good we do and punishment for the bad we do. If that woman dies in her current disposition, she can’t begin to imagine the terror awaiting her.

 

[Lara]

Most people willingly tell you about their health procedures. I would be highly surprised to learn that family members had lasik eye surgery when nobody has told me so. Yet in the case of abortion, women don’t tell because they know it’s wrong. They know it’s more than a “procedure”. It’s hard to speak of tragedies and abortion is a tragedy.

It’s a very disturbing article.

 

[cmscms]

Yes we must pray. How sad that young people have these messages in their face. They will never know truth

 

[OsculeturMeOsculo]

The mother chose the wrong baby. Well I am trying to make a point and I don’t know a more politically correct way to say it. Maybe abortion is a hypocrisy. But I think the former gives a different angle when you think of it.

 

[RandomAlias]

this woman/these women who feel as though their unborn children are problems to be done away with

The glimmer of good news in this story is that many women who have had abortions still have a conscience. It may not be what we call a well-formed conscience, but it’s still there. Even though they have been told that abortion is right and good, they feel unease or guilt, and they are looking for some kind of redemption, some way to be free of that nagging feeling that something is wrong.

The woman who narrated the article is hoping that sharing life stories about abortion and affirming those decisions will make herself feel better about her abortions as she helps other women to feel better about theirs. I don’t think it will work out that way for them. I don’t think it will satisfy their consciences.

However, some good may come out of it. After they have tried every possible way to quiet their consciences, they may eventually come to see the wrongfulness, injustice, and evil of abortion. Then repentance, reconciliation, and redemption are possible.

For this, they need God’s help and ours. Let us help them as we can, and pray for them.

 

[Mark121359]

Quote from the article;

“this completely normal health procedure”

Devastating and disturbing fruit of the modern feminist movement. As @steve-b said;

Yes , pray.

“But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself! And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?”
~Saint Mother Teresa~

 

[steve-b]

Quote from the article;

“this completely normal health procedure”

“But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself! And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?”
~Saint Mother Teresa~

People can be told stories from saints of hell, but If God would only give each person an actual glimpse of hell individually, and how many are in hell, it would be interesting to see how society would change from what it is now…

 

[Sophia]

People can be told stories from saints of hell, but If God would only give each person an actual glimpse of hell individually, and how many are in hell, it would be interesting to see how society would change from what it is now…

Yes, it would be very interesting. Especially if there would also be a guided tour in heaven… so that everyone could make an informed decision! Why God does not do that? There are the simpletons who would say that this would “rob” us of our free will. What nonsense! As if having solid information about the outcome would take away our freedom to choose.

The better explanation is that there is no hell. Maybe there is a second and a third and an “n-th” chance for everyone, who does not “measure up” at the first try. Now that would be what a loving God would do. Just like if you fail your test in school, you are given another chance to pass it. And if necessary, a third one… This idea of “one try and you are out” could only be conceived in the mind of a psychopath. And I refuse to accept that the Creator of the universe is small-time psychopath, who enjoys the screams of the damned.

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

People can be told stories from saints of hell, but If God would only give each person an actual glimpse of hell individually, and how many are in hell, it would be interesting to see how society would change from what it is now…

Yes, it would be very interesting. Especially if there would also be a guided tour in heaven… so that everyone could make an informed decision! Why God does not do that? There are the simpletons who would say that this would “rob” us of our free will. What nonsense! As if having solid information about the outcome would take away our freedom to choose.

Yet God’s first creatures the angels, didn’t get a second chance when 1/3 of them blew it. Maybe because unlike us, they knew more and saw more than we do in this life.

Sophia:

The better explanation is that there is no hell. Maybe there is a second and a third and an “n-th” chance for everyone, who does not “measure up” at the first try. Now that would be what a loving God would do.

That’s why we needed a savior. So God out of infinite love, gave us His only Son. He didn’t do that for the angels that blew it. He only did that for us.

Sophia:

Just like if you fail your test in school, you are given another chance to pass it. And if necessary, a third one… This idea of “one try and you are out” could only be conceived in the mind of a psychopath. And I refuse to accept that the Creator of the universe is small-time psychopath, who enjoys the screams of the damned.

My collage years and degrees ended in the 60’s. I never got a second chance at a test to make it right back then. Maybe things have changed since then with the educational system

To you other point,

It was God who revealed to us that there is a heaven and hell. And what both are like. And both are forever.

If Heaven and Hell didn’t exist, or if there was no Hell just heaven, then there would be no need for judgement final or interim, if everyone goes to heaven or if everyone just dies…

As an aside, their is a particular belief, that in the end, “Everyone is saved”. It is called universalism aka apocatastasis. And It is an old heresy started back in the 2nd century.

 

[deMontfort]

My collage years and degrees ended in the 60’s. I never got a second chance at a test to make it right back then. Maybe things have changed since then with the educational system

I graduated high school in 1986 and got my college degree in 1992. At no time was I ever able to retake a failed test. If you blew the test, you blew the test. If that means you failed the class, then too bad so bad. That’s life.

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

My collage years and degrees ended in the 60’s. I never got a second chance at a test to make it right back then. Maybe things have changed since then with the educational system

I graduated high school in 1986 and got my college degree in 1992. At no time was I ever able to retake a failed test. If you blew the test, you blew the test. If that means you failed the class, then too bad so bad. That’s life.

Yep!

 

[Sophia]

My collage years and degrees ended in the 60’s. I never got a second chance at a test to make it right back then. Maybe things have changed since then with the educational system

(You mean “college”?)

I graduated high school in 1986 and got my college degree in 1992. At no time was I ever able to retake a failed test. If you blew the test, you blew the test. If that means you failed the class, then too bad so bad. That’s life.

You mean there was no “resit”? To take the test again, if you failed the first time?

It was God who revealed to us that there is a heaven and hell. And what both are like. And both are forever.

Sorry, he never revealed it to me. Or anyone I know.

If Heaven and Hell didn’t exist, or if there was no Hell just heaven, then there would be no need for judgement final or interim, if everyone goes to heaven or if everyone just dies…

Yep. That is how a loving person would organize the “afterlife”.

 

[deMontfort]

You mean there was no “resit”? To take the test again, if you failed the first time?

No. You got one shot at a test and if you failed it, too bad. “Do overs” did NOT exist.

 

[Sophia]

No. You got one shot at a test and if you failed it, too bad. “Do overs” did NOT exist.

I was talking about the actual final exams, not the intermediate little “tests”.

 

[deMontfort]

ALL tests. Finals, not finals, whatever. You got NO do overs. If you failed, then you failed the class.

 

[Sophia]

ALL tests. Finals, not finals, whatever. You got NO do overs. If you failed, then you failed the class.

And in that case could you take the same class again, next year? Or were you kicked out of college, forever?

 

[deMontfort]

Oh you could repeat the class in college. In grade school it might mean you have to repeat the entire year.

 

[Sophia]

Oh you could repeat the class in college. In grade school it might mean you have to repeat the entire year.

That is what I was talking about. Unlike “you failed in this life, you go to hell for never ending torture”.