Depression and culpability

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how culpable would a person be, for sins that are generally only committed by them while in deep depression?

does severe depression lessen the culpability of your sins, even if you knew how and why it was wrong at the time, but the depression prevented you from caring?

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I think it’s safe to say that depression seriously alters your mental state, so I imagine a person’s culpability would be reduced. I don’t have enough medical knowledge to give a concrete answer, though.
 
I’m bipolar with a tendancy more toward depression than mania. For the past year or so I have been going thru one of the most challenging, painful periods of my life. But here’s what I do: I try very hard to do the best I can. It’s far from perfect but the point, to me, is that I do try, really hard. I think that makes a big difference (IOW, I don’t just run amok and say “hey, I’m nuts”). 😛
 
It depends on what they do. If they end up murdering someone I don’t want them getting off on account of a mental plea. This just drags to the news media a bad image of anyone with a mental illness. The overwhelming majority of mentally ill just go about their lives in quiet desperation and fear of anyone finding out. If it is little things they do like a bipolar person going on a spending spree, well there is not much sin in that to begin with so why question culpability?
 
If it is little things they do like a bipolar person going on a spending spree, well there is not much sin in that to begin with so why question culpability?
There might be sin in that if they spend money that is otherwise needed to feed their family etc.
 
There might be sin in that if they spend money that is otherwise needed to feed their family etc.
The issue here is culpability - are you taking the mental illness into consideration when you label behavior a sin? :confused:
 
i guess for example, things like drinking, drugs, maybe missing mass, or just losing patience, losing temper…
i’ve heard that self-hate is sinful. wouldn’t that be depression? what would the culpability be of a person severely depressed committing suicide?

i just wonder how culpable a person is while they are in such a state of mind.
 
I have been seriously depressed many times. I’m currently on medication and seeing a pshycologist. Both have been an ongoing concern for several years, and will be for however long I need it. Which will probably be the rest of my life. Of course, I have other diagnosesis but that isn’t necessarily the issue here.

During my times of deepest depression I often thought of suicide. I actually attempted it three times. My thoughts at the time was that I saw no hope and only wanted the pain to go away. I wanted everything to be over and done with. I honestly believe that if I had succeeded in taken my life, then I wouldn’t have the same amount of cupability as someone who wasn’t depressed.

Some here will probably have issues with this, but I am only talking from my own perspective.
 
It really does depend on the act being considered. For something to lower culpability, it must significantly affect the strength of the will in choosing the act. Severe depression can certainly weaken a choice of the will enough to lower culpability, making a sin of grave matter a venial sin instead of mortal. The sins that you mentioned would seem to be of a nature that would fall under this category. More severe sins such as murder, abuse, etc. take a larger movement of the will to choose, so I doubt depression would lower one’s culpability for committing them (though this is a generalization - judgments of culpability are always specific judgments).

What Swan said was excellent. If you suffer from depression, get help for the condition and try as hard as you can not to let it draw you into sin. If you are doing that, and going to confession regularly as we all need to do, you are on the right path.

As for suicide, it is my understanding that most people who have bipolar disorder and commit suicide do so in the manic phase of the disorder rather than the depression phase (or are at least more likely to go through with it). In the manic phase, good judgment can be seriously impaired. Such a person would probably (depending on particular circumstances again) have very little culpability. Swan and Christy Beth may be able to speak to this better than I, but I think people in the depression phase probably have more self-control than they do in the manic phase. However, even in the depression phase - as Christy Beth shared with us - your judgment is seriously impaired by the distorted perception of reality. When everything seems hopeless, how clearly are you choosing when you attempt to end it all? Certainly psychological disorder is always a mitigating factor to one degree or another in cases of suicide.

Christy Beth - I hope you are doing better now!
 
yeah and i’m only half asking for myself, i do get depressed but not suicidal depressed… i’m only asking because i understand to an extent how easy it is to just not care about the outcome of things while your depressed. it’s not that difficult to imagine someone making a decision that they wouldn’t have made had they been their right mind.

but i’m confused about the self-hate thing. it’s hard for me to put into perspective what self-hate is, if not extreme depression. and i’ve heard somewhere that it is a sin. so does that make depression a sin? that doesn’t make sense… i don’t know of anyone choosing to be depressed!

maybe someone can clear this up for me.
 
Actually, hatred as a sin is a choice of the will - to choose to judge something that is good as evil. Self hatred as a sin would be to choose to judge yourself as evil, and then to act accordingly. BTW, the same is true of love - true good love is a choice of the will. Emotional love and hate have no moral value in and of themselves.

Emotional hatred is not a sin until it is enforced by the will. To feel bad about yourself is not a sin. Such feelings can be turned around (as with treatment for depression). Emotions can come and go, are sometimes accurate and sometimes not, and do not have any moral value until they are chosen or when they are not controlled when they could and should be.

Under the influence of depression, even if the (intense) emotions do become translated into chosen actions, we come back to the mitigating effect of depression on culpability.

Depression is not something that you choose, and neither are the emotions that come with it. Sin only exists when an evil is chosen. Therefore depression is not a sin.
 
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