Descartes fallacy: "I think then I am"

[phil_at_dayboro]

AH, so this is where you hang out, you intellectual you,

 

[a_priori]

Just throwin’ it out there…

 

[eViLpOpTaRt]

No, Rock is but it doesn’t exist.

This seems to be a Clintonian play of what :“is” is.

 

[GEddie]

This seems to be a Clintonian play of what :“is” is.

That’s what happens when folks get too hard into philosophy.

ICXC NIKA

 

[thinkandmull]

Well you got it wrong again. So what’s new. Descarte’s sthick was, " I think, therefore I am. " But he was full of beans, so why discuss him.

Linus2nd

Can you name something you disagree with him on except St. Anselm’s ontological argument?

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Can you name something you disagree with him on except St. Anselm’s ontological argument?

I don’t think that was Anselm’s argument. I have not studied Descartes, I have more than enough to do now. But he was a nice guy by all accounts, just a little weird.

Linus2nd

 

[thinkandmull]

Descartes has two ontological arguments, one of which is St. Anselm’s, which I think is the one that is clearly wrong

 

[oldcelt]

Descartes has two ontological arguments, one of which is St. Anselm’s, which I think is the one that is clearly wrong

It makes little difference what philosopher stated this or that. The basis of humanity is thought.

John

 

[Charlemagne_III]

Descartes has two ontological arguments, one of which is St. Anselm’s, which I think is the one that is clearly wrong

Or as Aquinas put it so succinctly, “… it does not therefore follow that he understands that what the word [God] signifies exists actually, but only that it exists mentally.”

 

[thinkandmull]

Well Descartes other ontological argument says that for all natural ideas there must be an object equal of greater to what the idea represents

 

[thinkandmull]

People have said in this forum before that Descartes view of the soul is different than Aquinas’s. Actually its exactly the same. I’ve read Descartes. The blog they were quoting itself quoted Augustine in saying what Descartes said about the soul. The author tried to say they weren’t identical, but I corrected him in an email

 

[ChainBreaker]

People have said in this forum before that Descartes view of the soul is different than Aquinas’s. Actually its exactly the same. I’ve read Descartes. The blog they were quoting itself quoted Augustine in saying what Descartes said about the soul. The author tried to say they weren’t identical, but I corrected him in an email

Aquinas and Descartes are both dualist’s in essence. But Aquinas speaks of the soul as being the form of the body. Descartes speaks of the soul like a man driving a car. Descartes has a mechanistic view of the relationship.

 

[thinkandmull]

That’s a distortion of his belief’s. Have you read Descartes himself? I have. He says you ARE a body

 

[thinkandmull]

Your experience is the soul and the body working together. Descartes says that nutrition, imagination, and the like some from the body, and work with the soul. People get confused because in his deep meditations he abstracted himself from his body to “feel” his soul, and after getting that knowledge, admitted of course he was a body as well