Descendants of Adam and Eve mated with pre-humans?

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Gorgias said:
And on the other side of the discussion, do you recoil when you see dyed-in-the-wool creationists advocating that the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve had relations with each other? Some fail to see that this, truly, is worthy of a response of horror…!
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That erstwhile wallowing over bestiality struck an obvious nerve, eh? 😏

“'dyed in the wool creationists” ? hahahaha…

Usually, only members of the church of Darwinism play that silly epic fail card…

You ARE aware that ‘creationist’ has a Legion of differing thus virtually meaningless definitions?
 
Ghosty1981 said:
Not exactly sure what you’re asking, but my conversion from atheism to Catholicism was almost entirely based on philosophy (first in coming to believe in one unchanging, omnipotent God) and then theology (finding that the Catholic claims about this being were the best founded and most robust). My personal experience of Christ and my love of Him came only after my conversion; I never would have even attempted to know and love Him had philosophy and theology not led me to the Faith in the first place.

I can honestly say that the same is true for my wife, who converted from atheism after she met me. We first had to know in order to love. If the philosophical and theological arguments had not been sound we never would have pursued the Catholic Faith, just as we rejected every other belief system. Poor arguments and beliefs that contradict empirical reality would have led us to reject the Faith out of hand, so it is important to not put forward interpretations of Scripture that are weak.

Peace and God bless!
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The Peace of Jesus to you as well.

IF you run across “poor interpretations” - please to let me know…

The Holy Spirit is THE Interpreter of Sacred Scriptures…
 
Ghosty1981 said:
The Holy Spirit is THE Interpreter of Sacred Scriptures…
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Not so swiftly, Ghosty…

According to the Magisterial Teachings of THE Catholic Church, we find: Capitalized And In Bold

III. THE HOLY SPIRIT, INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE
Ref: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a3.htm

2 Peter 1:20-21 — 20 Above all, you do well if you recognize this: No prophecy of scripture ever comes about by the prophet’s own imagination, 21 for no prophecy was ever borne of human impulse; rather, men carried along by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

Again: If you need any assistance wrt Scriptures
and/or The Church who interprets Scriptures VIA THE Interpreter, God’s Holy Spirit,
Please don’t hesitate to ask.

Jesus’ Peace
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Yes, and if you read the section you linked to you’ll see precisely what I mean.
"Read the Scripture within “the living Tradition of the whole Church”
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The Scriptures can’t be interpreted individually under some kind of guidance by the Holy Spirit. It is the Church, obviously guided by the Spirit, that interprets Scripture.

We can read it, and form our own understanding, but ultimate interpretation belongs to the Church and not to individuals.

Peace and God bless!
 
Ghosty1981 said:
The Scriptures can’t be interpreted individually under some kind of guidance by the Holy Spirit. It is the Church, obviously guided by the Spirit, that interprets Scripture.
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Wrong. Actually, The Catholic Church has taught that the Holy Spirit can indeed speak to individuals. Would you accept this Teaching were I do show you the Magisterial Source?
 
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What are we talking about here?
The theory that humans bred with Neanderthals?
I always thought that was interesting.
 
That’s exactly what I’ve said, why it has to be?

God revelation, in the other hand, IS miraculous, as both covenants and the Incarnation are extraordinary things. But humanity’s dawn can flow from God’s natural operation (with the supernatural exception of Him giving us a rational soul like the Angels).
 
EndTimes said:
Wrong. Actually, The Catholic Church has taught that the Holy Spirit can indeed speak to individuals. Would you accept this Teaching were I do show you the Magisterial Source?
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I’m not saying that individuals can’t read and understand Scripture. I’m saying that authoritative interpretation belongs solely to the Church. From Dei Verbum:
But the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, (8) has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, (9) whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed.
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Peace and God bless!
 
EndTimes said:
“'dyed in the wool creationists” ? hahahaha…

Usually, only members of the church of Darwinism play that silly epic fail card…
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And members of the church of fundamentalist Christianity play it in the opposite direction. If we can’t admit the behavior on both sides of the discussion, then it’s obvious where the entrenchment exists… 😉
EndTimes said:
You ARE aware that ‘creationist’ has a Legion
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I agree: fundamentalist-style creationism really does have a demonic tinge to it… 🤔 😇
 
Ghosty
I’m not saying that individuals can’t read and understand Scripture. I’m saying that authoritative interpretation belongs solely to the Church. From Dei Verbum:

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So that we’re clear…

You claimed,
" The Scriptures can’t be interpreted individually under some kind of guidance by the Holy Spirit. "

I am saying that the Church does indeed Teach that God’s Holy Spirit can indeed speak directly to individuals of His choosing with respect to Interpretation of Scriptures.

That said, an individual cannot claim that it’s new revelation…

And let us not forget that my prior saying that “The Holy Spirit is THE Interpreter of Scriptures” which in turn was countered with “The Holy Spirit inspired Scripture; the Church interprets” – was correctly corrected via the Magisterial, III. THE HOLY SPIRIT, INTERPRETER OF SCRIPTURE

Any… valid true Interpretation/Understanding of Scripture - via Church and/or Individual - has as its source-revelation - God’s Holy Spirit…

Before continuing w/support of my initial “individual” (and not all or just anybody) … do you agree thus far?

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EndTimes said:
Before continuing w/support of my initial “individual” (and not all or just anybody) … do you agree thus far?
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No, because it isn’t clear to me what you mean. The exclusive authoritative interpreter of Scripture is the Magisterium of the Church. That is what Dei Verbum states and that is what I will stick with.

If all you are saying is that we can read Scripture and come to conclusions that are personal, non-authoritative interpretations of Scripture then I agree. If you are saying that the Holy Spirit gives private, authoritative understanding of Scripture to individuals then I absolutely do not agree.

At the end of the day the only authoritative interpretation of Scripture comes from the Church and the Church alone.

Peace and God bless!
 
Gorgias averred: fundamentalist-style creationism really does have a demonic tinge to it…

hahaha… FAIL…

Ergo … Expunge your demons; and show us some science. 🙂
 
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EndTimes said:
Ergo … Expunge your demons; and show us some science.
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That’s the funny part: the science shows that a fundamentalist-style bottleneck of two hominins never happened. Yet, that doesn’t stop folks from saying, “but… the Bible!!!” 🤷‍♂️
 
Gorgias said:
That’s the funny part: the science shows that a fundamentalist-style bottleneck of two hominins never happened. Yet, that doesn’t stop folks from saying, “but… the Bible!!!” 🤷‍♂️
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The funnier part is watching Darwinists and Atheists introducing God and Bible into discussions of Bio-Sciences - as their ONLY show of those sciences which they never show ergo don’t know, EH? 🙂

Please to up your ‘science’ game.
 
buffalo said:
How much did we start with and how do you know?
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More than two hominins (note: hominins, not humans), and from the evidence that genetics provides. I’ll leave the research as an exercise for the reader… 😉
 
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