Describe the most liturgically abused Mass that you have ever been to

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m134e5:
Why the happy face beside this thread? Do people enjoy talking about how bad things get in the Church? Personally, I think liturgical abuses are most unfortunate, and are nothing to be happy about.
I put a happy face next to the thread title, in an effort to be kind, considerate, and courteous to my fellow posters.🙂

Here is an angry face::mad: .

Of course liturgical abuses are nothing to be happy about, and I am sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
 
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m134e5:
Why the happy face beside this thread? Do people enjoy talking about how bad things get in the Church? Personally, I think liturgical abuses are most unfortunate, and are nothing to be happy about.
well, I do not know if this qualifies as liturgical abuse, but I will tel you all of an experience that I have related before,
and still curls my hair when I think of it. One day, our priest was talking to the congregation about his back, and he whipped out a pamphlett ( still in the church ) that advertises a type of bed tp relieve back pain. He was relating to the congregation how he discovered this bed at a doctors office, it is some type of therapeutical bed. So what does he do? He tells the parishioners to try this bed out, and that they can pick up a brochure after Mass as the borchures would be left for people
to pick up. Well, we were floored! i didn’t know the house of God was a place for commercial advertisment! I have not gone back to that church for awhile now. I now go the Latin Mass where I do not see any advertising being done.
 
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Brendan:
Ok,

How about this, go to another parish and get a good gallon or so of Holy Water.

Bring it back to your parish and fill up all the fonts.

When asked, explain that your became conscience of the many ways people journey towards God, and how experiencing the dryness of Lent would aid some, others might find the use of Holy Water more comforting on their Faith Journey.

So rather than appear to be devisive, you thought it would be a great idea to fill the fonts up. That way, all those who wanted to experience dryness could by foregoing the use of the fonts, while those who wanted to use Holy Water could still feel welcomed and cherished in their particular Faith Expression.

Then hug the person(s) and exclaim how thankful you are that they make you feel so empowered as a member of the Priesthood of the Laity that you felt comfortable taking this apostolate on by yourself.

If you can say all that with a straight face, your all set 👍
you are good, as long as you get the lingo down pat you may get away with it. we can also try this when we kneel during the consecration at these places, or when we keep our hands in our pocket during the Our Father etc., loudly exclaiming how comfortable we feel in our particular Faith Expression, and how affirmed we are.

my brother gave me a bamboo back scratcher with a little hand on the end for use in his diocese in Michigan, which shall not be mentioned to protect the guilty, for me to use during the Our Father, just extend it to the nearest person.

worst Mass
outdoors, on parish grounds of one of the most beautiful Churches in a large Michigan city
priest in hawaiian shirt, cut offs and flip flops, altho he did wear a stole
altar servers ditto, but one had a pink floyd Tshirt
bread was Wonder, right out of the package, each family was given one piece to share among themselves
wine looked and tasted like watery pink koolaid, actually poured into little dixie cups
bread crusts and empty cups strewn everywhere, but thoughtfully youth group members collected them in trash bags afterwards
I do not say body and blood because he ad-libbed the words of consecration and the entire Eucharistic prayer sounded like something written by a committee of Call to Action, and I recognized none of the elements of a valid Mass.
we would have left but were with my husband’s new boss, my mother, and several co-workers. We did go to Mass in my old parish afterwards, thereby missing out on the picnic that followed the “celebration experience” at the other place.
everyone was supposed to bring their own lawn chair, otherwise sit or stand on the grass, pavement, or in the street as we ran out of room
cannot remember the music, mercifully I have blotted it out, but it was all pop stuff from the radio at the time, early 80s
liturgical dancers the worst abuse of all because they enlisted small girls for this purpose, which is also child abuse, and had them waltzing around during the proceedings apparently in some random modern dance ecelctic self-expression waving ribbon streamers.
they had no clowns, but the way the priest and congregation were dressed, for a picnic, they didn’t need them
I would have thought it was some other event like a prelude to the picnic except for the fact that they took up a collection, the only thing resembling an actual Mass that took place.

according to my sister who still lives in that town and parish but has not been Catholic for a long time (who can blame her) that priest sometime after left the priesthood to live with his long time friend and partner and they run some kind of new age artsy crafty thing up north.
 
Know what? I don’t mind if a Priest wants to speak to the people and tell them about some wonder invention that has helped his bad back.
That is a demonstration of caring for others and has no harm intended. I wouldn’t worry about it being a commercial. That is not the type of abuse that we are talking about - what is so awful is the destruction of our Faith by those who wish to mutate our Mass into something they feel is more to their liking and serves their purpose.
I hope the Priest got some relief from the bed he found - if thats the worst the poor man has done consider him a good and holy Priest.
 
How about instead of listing abuses that have been seen we just post what we have done about those abuses we have seen.

If you just sit there in the pews without doing anything then you are part of the problem.

Even just praying for them is better than belly aching about them here.

And as has been seen else where on this forum, there are many abuses that people do not acknowledge as abuses becuase they like them and/or think they are pious or some such thing.
 
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Brendan:
Ok,

How about this, go to another parish and get a good gallon or so of Holy Water.

Bring it back to your parish and fill up all the fonts.

When asked, explain that your became conscience of the many ways people journey towards God, and how experiencing the dryness of Lent would aid some, others might find the use of Holy Water more comforting on their Faith Journey.

So rather than appear to be devisive, you thought it would be a great idea to fill the fonts up. That way, all those who wanted to experience dryness could by foregoing the use of the fonts, while those who wanted to use Holy Water could still feel welcomed and cherished in their particular Faith Expression.

Then hug the person(s) and exclaim how thankful you are that they make you feel so empowered as a member of the Priesthood of the Laity that you felt comfortable taking this apostolate on by yourself.

If you can say all that with a straight face, your all set 👍
This is just WONDERFUL! Can you come visit my parish???

Just one question, what do you do with the sand or dry leaves that some parishes are putting in the holy water fonts in place of the Holy Water?
 
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ByzCath:
How about instead of listing abuses that have been seen we just post what we have done about those abuses we have seen.

If you just sit there in the pews without doing anything then you are part of the problem.

Even just praying for them is better than belly aching about them here.

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well this was not posed as a thread on how to combat abuse, and we already have plenty of those so such comments could properly be posted there. When visiting another parish there is a limit you your responsibility in reporting what you witness, but certainly we should not tolerate it in our own parishes and should document and report through proper channels.
 
The bread was a loaf of pumpernickel.

Some fellow in civvies read the Gospel. [Might have been a deacon… I was just travelling through…it was a daily Mass and I didn’t know the folks.]

Wasn’t totally sure it was even a Catholic church… the sign outside didn’t SAY it was a Catholic church - said it was the “community of Saint.xxxx” [don’t want to embarrass them by writing their name] I should have ASKED if they were Catholic, but I just asked what time the Mass started]…

… until the priest got up to give the homily …

… it was the WORST, most wishy-washy homily I have ever heard in my entire life… then I KNEW it was Catholic. I know that’s a terrible slam on the Catholic Church, but every talk I have ever heard by a Rabbi or a Protestant minister has been superb. ]

[maybe it was God’s way of giving me some ammunition so I could contribute the anecdote to this thread… ]
 
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Corki:
This is just WONDERFUL! Can you come visit my parish???

Just one question, what do you do with the sand or dry leaves that some parishes are putting in the holy water fonts in place of the Holy Water?
Perhaps in a trashbin as a symbolic protest of the Materialistic culture we live in, for that would be a very profound symbol of how we sinfully choose, through greed, to discard God’s gift of creation into landfills.

Post a prayer for ecology over the trashbin

On Easter recycle the leaves and the posted prayer into compost to feed the “Tree of Life” in the parish courtyard.

:rolleyes:
 
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totustuusmaria:
When it came time for the consecratition he said the words of consecration for the blood twice and skipped completely the words of consecration for the body. As such the consecration just didn’t occure and since communion was only under one kind, no one received the Eucharistic Lord.
Our parish priest told a similar story on himself. He was saying a daily mass and for whatever reason he was distracted and after consecrating the wine, he started to do it again. Luckily, he said, a vigilant parishoner actually went up to him at the altar to tell him, so he consecrated the bread properly. He was grateful that she had had the courage to do that, I wonder how many of us would. Of course, this was totally out of character for him, he is a very holy man.
 
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Corki:
This is just WONDERFUL! Can you come visit my parish???
I know a lot of that was ‘tounge in cheek’ but it really hits on a sore point with these parishes.

A lot of them try an be ‘inclusive’ but they very emptying of the fonts is an ‘exclusive’ act.

It denies those who desire to make use of Holy Water during the Lenten season that opportunity.

If one really would rather experience ‘dryness’, why not just personally forgo the use of the font?

That way, everyone gets the use of sacramentals they desire.
 
This is merely an unusual event, which happens regularly.

There’s this ultramodern church (as far as our town goes) that just has chairs, not pews, for example.

but, the architect built a closet right behind the altar, just slightly to the left. (The tabernacle itself is in an adjacent chapel, the doorway to which is slightly to the viewer’s right of the altar and behind it.

So, there is a Door #1 and Door #2 ‘let’s make a deal’ kind of non-verbal thing going on, to begin with.

But, my favorite is that the processional cross is brought out (of Door #1) for the start of Mass, marched in, and then promptly disappears into Door #1. So, as far as the crucifix is concerned, it’s kiind of like a “why bother?” situation.

And, of course, when I said anything about this, I got looks that could kill. Rule #1, of course, is that you don’t say anything about anything, right?

Oh, want some other trivia about this church? The church building was basically built on a concrete slab. And, guess what? The slab sunk into the ground after about 20 years and had to be replaced. Yuk, Yuk. What a mess.

And, for those of you with urinary urgency to begin with, the baptismal font is one of those continuously babbling types, which is right there to the left of the altar, about 20 feet away. I guess today we could put in one of those swim-forever type swimming pools or a big hot tub.
 
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Crumpy:
ThisAnd, for those of you with urinary urgency to begin with, the baptismal font is one of those continuously babbling types, which is right there to the left of the altar, about 20 feet away. I guess today we could put in one of those swim-forever type swimming pools or a big hot tub.
I hear you, went to grandson’s baptism, only their font cum fountain was in the back at the main entrance (where it is supposed to be) and the large pool for adult baptisms is also kosher, as is the fountain to insure continual clean water, problem is the bubbling is so LOUD you can’t hear what is going on for one thing. For another thing, all the families, including young children, of those being baptized are urged to sit near the font, of course. continual stream of toddlers and grandparents back and forth to the bathrooms, which unfortunately are also in the narthex, so you could hear the continual flushing of toilets. Next time I go to that church I must remember to wear depends.
 
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Crumpy:
This
But, my favorite is that the processional cross is brought out (of Door #1) for the start of Mass, marched in, and then promptly disappears into Door #1. So, as far as the crucifix is concerned, it’s kiind of like a “why bother?” situation.

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we also have a notoriously dissident parish nearby where they for years refused to display a crucifix. they made a big show of implementing the GIRM, including all the innovations not specified by the document such as standing for the Eucharistic prayer, processing for communion from the back etc. They also went out and got a processional cross with a risen Christ with an unmistakabley feminine body shape and features, if you get my drift. looks like a barbie doll wearing a see-through caftan. An outraged parishioner made a gift of a proper crucifix, which was sold on e-bay shortly afterward without ever being put into use.
 
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Brendan:
I know a lot of that was ‘tounge in cheek’ but it really hits on a sore point with these parishes.

A lot of them try an be ‘inclusive’ but they very emptying of the fonts is an ‘exclusive’ act.

It .
you hit the nail on the head.
what is behind all these “inclusive” efforts is in fact an appalling lack of Christian charity that denies the faithful the right to worship according to the rubrics. And it is mandated and enforced by a few powerful people, often laypersons, who have an agenda. Any change or innovation motivated by an agenda, including biblical translation and interpretation is bound to be false, damaging, destructivy and dis-unifying because it is a step or more removed from the Gospel.
 
Anyone else reading some of these reports, such as the poster who spoke about the wonder bread being put in trash bags, and thinking ‘please dont be valid please dont be valid!’?

Still, i quite like these threads, as someone who is preparing to enter the seminary, i have always said that my vocation is the frequent availability of the sacraments, and especially rubrical, reverent masses. When i read threads like this, they help me focus on my vocation, and why God has given me the gift of this vocation, to combat some of the rubbish we have now!!
 
ok huge question:
How does one know if the Mass you’re attending IS VALID.
I’ve been to a few Masses that really upset me and some youth Masses that saddened my soul, but they were valid I know that.
What makes a Mass invalid?

And also, WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
 
This is not a liturgical/Mass issue, but I was in a church once and the tabernacle looked like a circuit breaker panel box/door, recessed in the wall.

!!! Still blows my mind… no pun intended… ]
 
A lady who had converted from Catholicism to Buddhism gave the homily, then the priest let her take Communion. Of course, communion was the usual dark bread sweetened with honey so I guess she didn’t get the real thing. Neither did anyone else. :mad:
 
Me and my wife attended a Mass at St Andrews in NYC. The woman lectur/ EM was dressed like a prostitute. She kept giving really nasty looks at my wife. She kept touching and handling the Eucharistic Bread all through the mass.

Me and my wife did not want to receive Holy Communion there.

At another Church, there was no altar boy. The priest called up a kid sitting in the pew. He was wearing shorts, a tee shirt and sneakers. I thought it was one of the most disrespectful things I ever saw.
 
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