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STT said:
That applies only to good God. It seems that God is neutral though. Why God should have any preference?
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He is total love, truth and justice. He so loved the world He laid down His life for us. He created out of love.
 
STT said:
I only agree with the last two.

He could create out of hate too in order to make us suffer.
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Then we would call him the devil.

Yet humans have an innate desire for love. This means there exists total love. We call this total love God.

Would you agree Jesus is love?
 
STT said:
What do you mean? Intelligence exists with existence.
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I was asking if intelligence existed before the beginning of the universe?

Would you agree reality itself then is intelligent?
 
STT said:
I call it evil God.

This doesn’t negate the existence of evil God. There could be a universe that everybody hates each other there.

He apparently doesn’t love Devils.
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I cannot capitalize it because evil does not deserve such respect.

Yes, according to the multiverse, every possibility is in play, including fake universes.

No He doesn’t, Jesus continually warns us against evil and acts with love.
 
STT said:
How do you know? All we know is that the universe had a beginning.
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Ergo, it cannot be infinite because it is bounded by time. At the beginning it was
tiny, not infinite, and has been expanding ever since.
 
buffalo said:
Intelligence cannot exist outside of the universe (space and time)?
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Intelligence is property of something. You need to define it if you want to apply it to God. God cannot discover therefore he cannot be intelligent in that sense.
 
STT said:
I call it evil God.

This doesn’t negate the existence of evil God. There could be a universe that everybody hates each other there.

He apparently doesn’t love Devils.
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Do you consider love to be a derivative of evil?
 
For those who believe in God but do not believe in the Intelligent Design of the universe, the only other thing he can believe is that God created the universe not intending, but only hoping, that something would come of it. This may be how a human would create a universe, but, since God is not frivolous or ignorant of the future, it could not possibly be how God would create one.
 
STT said:
Intelligence is property of something. You need to define it if you want to apply it to God. God cannot discover therefore he cannot be intelligent in that sense.
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God, through His human nature did learn/experience while He was in space and time.

Outside of time we speak of Divine Intelligence:

In God there exists the most perfect knowledge. To prove this, we must note that intelligent beings are distinguished from non-intelligent beings in that the latter possess only their own form; whereas the intelligent being is naturally adapted to have also the form of some other thing; for the idea of the thing known is in the knower. Hence it is manifest that the nature of a non-intelligent being is more contracted and limited; whereas the nature of intelligent beings has a greater amplitude and extension; therefore the Philosopher says (De Anima iii) that “the soul is in a sense all things.” Now the contraction of the form comes from the matter. Hence, as we have said above (Question 7, Article 1) forms according as they are the more immaterial, approach more nearly to a kind of infinity. Therefore it is clear that the immateriality of a thing is the reason why it is cognitive; and according to the mode of immateriality is the mode of knowledge. Hence it is said in De Anima ii that plants do not know, because they are wholly material. But sense is cognitive because it can receive images free from matter, and the intellect is still further cognitive, because it is more separated from matter and unmixed, as said in De Anima iii. Since therefore God is in the highest degree of immateriality as stated above (Question 7, Article 1), it follows that He occupies the highest place in knowledge. (Summa Theologiae I.14.1)
 
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