Desire for Death?

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I definitely desire to die and be with God in Heaven. And no, I am not suicidal either. I experience this desire practically every day. I know that Heaven will be infinitely better than what I have here on earth and so I desire Heaven with all of my heart and soul.
I know what you mean by desire every day. Plus, lately I’ve started being able to actually feel that experience on a frequent basis, usually many times per day. The trick was to learn a healthy way to grieve. I have had to grieve many things in the past five months including my older brother who died with no warning – they found him at his computer desk at age 55, in July, and since my mother has been near death herself and is now recovering from a stroke she got while in the hospital being treated for another problem.

There is much more to the story but it’s very long.

Some might think I’d be miserable, but actually I’m getting more servings of peace and joy on an hourly basis than I used to get in a year. Why? With all of this grieving, especially with some timely emails with teachings about grieving, I ended up losing my mental ties to many things that I had lost and the grieving of them was holding me back. With each thing that was removed without my being able to keep them, I was losing a little bit of my false self, and thus opening myself up to healing and comfort the Lord was kind enough to pour in.

So here I am.

Maybe you should study some about grieving if you’re so fascinated. You can grieve over anything you are attached to and lose – even a thought you really wanted to tell a person but you can’t think of it right then when you have your only chance to tell them ever – you will learn to let go of it and trust the Spirit will give you the words if you need them again, let go and get about moving forward, and likely you will forget the whole thing even happened as soon as immediately after you decide to let it go. That’s one way to get selective memory working in our favor.

Actually, you can grieve with other people or on their behalf. You can grieve over changes in other people that you don’t even want to tell them you noticed. This actually works both ways; you can change for the better and still grieve over the lost lifestyle you were in before the change. Any change can be grieved. You can listen to a breakup song or read fiction and grieve over the depicted losses or even grieve over something in an imaginary scenario you thought up. Or how about when you are pleased with a decision you finally made, then later find out it won’t work out that way and there is no alternative plan. You can grieve over the loss of your intellectual property, your pet’s death, getting rid of an old toy, or the song you used to know for memory on the piano. How about grieving a lack of changes, like the empty nest syndrome when one day is just like another?

I’ve long liked this verse from Miracles out of Nowhere by Kansas:

Tell me now dear mother, what’s it like to be so old
Children grown and leavin’, seems the world is growin’ cold
And though your body’s ailin’ you
Your mind is just like new
Tell me where you’re goin’ to

If you want to go the next step, why don’t you consider talking to hospice people and learning about and maybe even starting a career in helping people through end of life issues? Maybe they even have openings for volunteers?

Go ahead and live your life in abundance, the way Jesus told Us He came to enable us to do. It’s a gift; accept it, enjoy it, and it will take you far. By the time God’s done with your worldly life, you will be spiritually dressed and ready to join him at the banquet with minimal purgatory if any, then continuing on to whatever it is a soul does with God for all eternity.

Alan

edit: oops I just noticed I was writing as if to the OP but it wasn’t the OP, so if it seems misdirected that’s because it is.
 
(continued from previous post)With all this going on, frankly, heaven can wait. This phase of my life is so fascinating and fulfilling it’s amazing. Every hour consolations roll in, the feeling of unity with others both on Internet and in “real life” increases, the simplicity and beauty of God’s teachings become more self-evident all the time. Peace and joy reach daily records beyond what I might have imagined the day before. It’s like an avalanche of blessings has been building up for ten years, but over the last couple months really has broken loose and is sweeping right from where I was to places I never dreamed to ask to go.

It’s all true, and it’s all possible. Stand on the Word, and you may join me here wherever it is that I am. It isn’t about suffering while alive to help us after we’re dead. Our suffering helps us in the here and now if we’ll only let God finish in us what each of our bruises began. What looks like damage from our worldly eyes turn into untold riches to our faith eyes.

So yeah, I say it is not wrong to desire death and reuniting with God in that way, but it would be like trying to take a vacation with unfinished work at home. It’s like going on a vacation and it does us no good because our minds are back on our work. If we can persevere and with gentle guidance complete phase 1 of our project, we can participate in phase 2, which connects us directly to the sorts of blessings we would not have known until after death had we not completed phase 1.

Moving on to the second part (born again, enlightened, self-actualized, transforming and/or Divine Union, awake, the kingdom, whatever your belief system calls it) is like getting a joke for the first time. Others can explain it and you might understand it in your mind, but it just doesn’t seem funny. Then all of a sudden one day it really strikes you and you laugh. You always knew it was funny, but now you’re actually experiencing the humor rather than just understanding it.

Then you find out the punch line to the joke. There punch line is that you never really had to go anywhere to get all this. You were there the whole time, but your own state of mind prevented you from recognizing it.

Yeah. If heaven is better than this, I hope it can wait because I’m really enjoying this appetizer. I’m sure God will call me when it’s my turn for the main course, I don’t think I’m going to miss it by escaping worldly death – no matter how fun and rewarding earthly life can be. I may be called right now, but I would also be pleased to live a very long time on this planet, serving the Lord with and through others.

Alan
Absolutely I feel God’s blessings and consolations in the here and now on earth. But…I feel like a woman whose husband has gone oversees to be in the military. He can write his wife letters and they can video chat (Bible, Eucharist, Catholicism and its blessings in general) but if she really loves him won’t she always desire that he come home/she actually be with him face to face??? Wouldn’t she be an unfaithful/bad wife to be OK with her husband being gone? Wouldn’t it be wrong of her to say, ‘my husband’s return can wait. I am doing just fine right now.’ In discerning a religious vocation, I have truly begun to think of Jesus as my husband and I love Him and just want to be with Him! I almost feel like He would be sad or disappointed if I did not desire Heaven and His fullness…

And on that note: Doesn’t it make Jesus so sad when we say that we don’t want to go to Heaven yet??? If I were Jesus, i think it would break my heart! 😦
 
If you want to go the next step, why don’t you consider talking to hospice people and learning about and maybe even starting a career in helping people through end of life issues? Maybe they even have openings for volunteers?

Go ahead and live your life in abundance, the way Jesus told Us He came to enable us to do. It’s a gift; accept it, enjoy it, and it will take you far. By the time God’s done with your worldly life, you will be spiritually dressed and ready to join him at the banquet with minimal purgatory if any, then continuing on to whatever it is a soul does with God for all eternity.

Alan

edit: oops I just noticed I was writing as if to the OP but it wasn’t the OP, so if it seems misdirected that’s because it is.
The hospice volunteering is a lovely thought. I am responding to this so I hope it was to me, the OP, like you said! I think you are spot on about the desire for heaven being a grieving process, which seems strange, because how can we ‘lose’ it if we haven’t HAD it yet??? But I think that sometimes we get glimpses of God and all His glory, and we say how much greater will heaven be if I have this kind of joy on earth! So I of think it is a grieving process. I am sorry for all the loss in your family-I am sure your desire for heaven helped you in grieving them-i.e. knowing what a joyful place they are in.

But think of how happy that desire for Heaven must make Jesus!
 
Thought I would post this excerpt from St. Gemma Galgani on her desire for eternal life:
St Gemma’s desire and longing for heaven

In “The Life of Saint Gemma Galgani” Venerable Father Germanus writes- …”her [Gemma’s] only wish was to love God. ‘I wish to be all for Jesus and only for Jesus.’ she used to say. And again she would say:
‘What is there to love on this earth now that I posses Jesus? Oh world and creatures, all of you are no longer for me…’

“Once, when giving me an account of her progress, she wrote thus:
‘Yesterday morning, in a meeting that I had with my loving God, I asked Him to detach me from everything, to free me from my body, and having thus broken every bond, to let me go straight to Him, to Him only and forever.’
‘But’, Jesus answered me, ‘where would you fly to?’
‘To You my dear and sweet Lord!’
And Jesus replied: ‘Let Me come to you a little longer, and then, when I set you free, you shall come to Me.’

Concerning her last illness, Father Germanus writes "Before losing her eyesight, she used to read occasionally. Once her Aunt, seeing a book in her hand asked her ‘What are you reading Gemma?’
Gemma replied ‘I am reading the preparation for death. Oh Aunt, why don’t you read it also, for you are getting old? As for myself in all things I am preparing for death.’
“But tell me Gemma”, continued her Aunt, “do you not regret to die?”
‘Oh no,’ she answered, ‘I no longer have any attachment to anything in this world.’

Father Germanus continues “Thus, life had become a weight and a pain to this dove. As she kept he heart turned towards heaven, she felt like a stranger who does not know anyone, and takes no interest in earthly things. Lets let her again speak for herself-
‘I live on this earth but I seem to dwell here like a soul who has lost it’s way, because never for a moment do I cease looking towards Jesus, apart from whom I despise all things.’
Thus wearied and unsatisfied, she counted the days like a pilgrim who longing to reach the desired land, from time to time, briefly looks back to see the distance done, and count the way remaining-
‘I greatly rejoice that time flies so quickly, because that means so much less time to spend in this world, where there is nothing to attract me. My heart goes incessantly in search of a treasure, an immense treasure that I do not find in creatures; a treasure that will satisfy me and console me, and give me rest.’

Likewise in ecstasy she was once overheard to say- ‘Oh, who will give me wings that I may fly to Thee, my God? Give them to me…the wings of contemplation. How am I to fly to Thee? Break…break these chains that hinder me from flying to Thee…" and another occasion "I have such a great longing to fly away to my God!’

“Since earthly life was such a small concern to Gemma, it is no wonder that she was always so ready to give it away, as happens with valueless things. If anyone fell dangerously sick, you would see Gemma running to her spiritual director [Fr. Germanus, the author of these lines –editor] requesting to give that person one, two, three or four years of her life, saying to him-
‘You know Jesus will accept the exchange, provided that you Father approve of it.’
And, in order to get my consent, she used to bring forward certain arguments of her own, putting them with such persuasiveness that if I was not on my guard, I was in great danger of giving way”
‘Look Father’, she used to say, ‘it concerns the mother of a family with many children. Oh, what would these little one’s do without their mother?’ Let me tell Jesus about it. What difference can a few years less make to me?’

The same thing used to happen when she had the conversion of any sinner at heart, and she was always sure to have some in hand. She would say-
‘Jesus, I give you three years of my life. Convert him for me.’
That was the way she had of putting it. At last I allowed myself to be persuaded by her charitable and forceful eloquence. I gave the permission, and God accepted the exchange, and Gemma died exactly at the time agreed upon, in the richest bloom of her youth, and contrary to all human expectations."
 
"And on that note: Doesn’t it make Jesus so sad when we say that we don’t want to go to Heaven yet??? If I were Jesus, i think it would break my heart! "

I don’t know—I have grown fond of breathing in and out and I have no promise of going straight to Heaven at this point. There is a lot I need to do and a lot I need to correct and I hope I have more time to get it right. I love the gift of life and everyday I find more and more beauty in God’s creation.

I think God wants us to enjoy the life he has given us and to wish it away just might also break his heart.

I couldn’t imagine spending my day hoping it would be my last. There are so many right now that are praying for one more day. So many that are in need.

Alan has brought up a good point. Maybe you might want to look into volunteering at Hospice. You might be able to ease any fears there.
 
This post reminds me of St Therese of Lisieux in Story of a Soul:
ccel.org/ccel/therese/autobio.txt
During Lent last year I felt much better than ever and continued so
until Holy Week, in spite of the fast which I observed in all its
rigour. But in the early hours of Good Friday, Jesus gave me to hope
that I should soon join Him in His beautiful Home. How sweet is this
memory!
I could not obtain permission to remain watching at the Altar of Repose
throughout the Thursday night, and I returned to our cell at midnight.
Scarcely was my head laid on the pillow when I felt a hot stream rise
to my lips. I thought I was going to die, and my heart nearly broke
with joy. But as I had already put out our lamp, I mortified my
curiosity until the morning and slept in peace. At five o’clock, when
it was time to get up, I remembered at once that I had some good news
to learn, and going to the window I found, as I had expected, that our
handkerchief was soaked with blood. Dearest Mother, what hope was mine!
I was firmly convinced that on this anniversary of His Death, my
Beloved had allowed me to hear His first call, like a sweet, distant
murmur, heralding His joyful approach.
Amazing!

But eventually she came to wish neither for death nor life, but to do whatever was God’s will.
 
He can write his wife letters and they can video chat (Bible, Eucharist, Catholicism and its blessings in general) but if she really loves him won’t she always desire that he come home/she actually be with him face to face???
Yes.
Wouldn’t she be an unfaithful/bad wife to be OK with her husband being gone? Wouldn’t it be wrong of her to say, ‘my husband’s return can wait. I am doing just fine right now.’
Not necessarily. A wife can desire her husband to be home, but at the same time neither expect him nor desire him to come back before it is time. Like when I just left my wife for the longest time ever since we started dating in 1985, 11 weeks starting Sep 5 taking care of Mom, St. Julie sorely wanted me here and the kids … I can’t tell you who wanted me there more, as I wanted to be there. But when I left Wichita, St. Julie startled me. I was thinking I’d be a few weeks, she would get better I would come home but she said, “now Go to Lisle and focus on taking care of your mother, until she is well enough to travel, and then bring her back here to Wichita.” It was tough, but despite the fact that certain well meaning but no-thank-you-go-away type “friends” told her what a jerk her husband was and that my priorities were all messed up and that my mother is being selfish to have me here (a lot of the time she didn’t even remember why I was there and often she didn’t even realize I was her son. It’s funny how people who have never walked in my shoes can tell me what I’m doing wrong.

St. Julie’s best asset locally, other than our wonderful, loving children, was our good friend Cindy, who is married to a retired military man. Nick would be deployed for months at a time and where he was was classified so he could exchange email with his family but not tell them where he was. Cindy told me on a chat after about 8 weeks that it is difficult for Julie, but she knows that Julie has grown stronger from the experience of having to hold things together without me for this long.

Anyway we got back just in time for Thanksgiving with her and all the kids plus a few more. It was the best Thanksgiving ever.

The whole universe works on the basis of separation, reunite. Die then rise. Cosmic peek-a-boo. Wake up, go to sleep. . Prodigal son. One repentant sinner is worth more than many righteous.

After all, how can you have a kiss and make up without a goodbye? A goodbye meaningful enough you get to grieve over the other person rather than focus half your attention on when is he going to be back? or What’s he doing? or Why is it taking so long? or How can I survive this? or What am I going to tell these people to get them off my back?
In discerning a religious vocation, I have truly begun to think of Jesus as my husband and I love Him and just want to be with Him! I almost feel like He would be sad or disappointed if I did not desire Heaven and His fullness…
That is totally excellent! Just realize that if you love someone, you will give them some air for long enough to breathe, and some leash long enough to go perform their duties and missions. Would you want your husband to achieve his goal before he comes back to his queen, triumphant and ready to celebrate, or take a break and finish his quest later or not at all, so that he may spend a weekend with you?

Similarly, if Jesus is your husband, that is just for the woman side of you. To us he’s a friend but not a spouse. But at least men get to be married to the Church so they can have a bride. For that matter, as a part of the Body of Christ, the Church is in a way your bride. So if you accomplish wonderful things for humanity then you will also be truly victorious while you stay near your bride and then to return to Jesus, His bride but still victorious. There will be trumpets sounding and the choir belting it out.

If all that seems too grandiose, let’s take a scaled down example. Your husband leaves to go get a haircut, a dozen eggs, and some light bulbs. After three hours he finally returns and you are steamed. Turns out he was witness to an accident and was blocked by it then questioned by police, so he didn’t even get to the haircut until two hours after leaving. You missed him, but things were under control and you were just watching TV with your feet up. Would you rather he would have come home immediately after the police let him go so he could be with you sooner, or just go ahead and take the extra hour to do the errands?
And on that note: Doesn’t it make Jesus so sad when we say that we don’t want to go to Heaven yet??? If I were Jesus, i think it would break my heart! 😦
You are right about that. He wants us to be ready at any time. But the more we do His good work on earth, the more we ripen and sweeten with age, so it’s up to Him when he wants to pluck us off the branch.
The hospice volunteering is a lovely thought. I am responding to this so I hope it was to me, the OP, like you said!
Yes, I did actually intend that for you. I thought it was you while I typed it. 😛
I think you are spot on about the desire for heaven being a grieving process, which seems strange, because how can we ‘lose’ it if we haven’t HAD it yet???
Exactly. Ironically, we can’t truly have it until we lose it, either!!!

Mark 8:35-36
“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel will save it. What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?”
But I think that sometimes we get glimpses of God and all His glory, and we say how much greater will heaven be if I have this kind of joy on earth!
Yeah!

Alan
 
This post reminds me of St Therese of Lisieux in Story of a Soul:

Amazing!

But eventually she came to wish neither for death nor life, but to do whatever was God’s will.
Yes-one of my favorite books. She is such an example of living for God’s will alone!
Yes.

Not necessarily. A wife can desire her husband to be home, but at the same time neither expect him nor desire him to come back before it is time. Like when I just left my wife for the longest time ever since we started dating in 1985, 11 weeks starting Sep 5 taking care of Mom, St. Julie sorely wanted me here and the kids … I can’t tell you who wanted me there more, as I wanted to be there. But when I left Wichita, St. Julie startled me. I was thinking I’d be a few weeks, she would get better I would come home but she said, “now Go to Lisle and focus on taking care of your mother, until she is well enough to travel, and then bring her back here to Wichita.” It was tough, but despite the fact that certain well meaning but no-thank-you-go-away type “friends” told her what a jerk her husband was and that my priorities were all messed up and that my mother is being selfish to have me here (a lot of the time she didn’t even remember why I was there and often she didn’t even realize I was her son. It’s funny how people who have never walked in my shoes can tell me what I’m doing wrong.

St. Julie’s best asset locally, other than our wonderful, loving children, was our good friend Cindy, who is married to a retired military man. Nick would be deployed for months at a time and where he was was classified so he could exchange email with his family but not tell them where he was. Cindy told me on a chat after about 8 weeks that it is difficult for Julie, but she knows that Julie has grown stronger from the experience of having to hold things together without me for this long.

Anyway we got back just in time for Thanksgiving with her and all the kids plus a few more. It was the best Thanksgiving ever.

The whole universe works on the basis of separation, reunite. Die then rise. Cosmic peek-a-boo. Wake up, go to sleep. . Prodigal son. One repentant sinner is worth more than many righteous.

After all, how can you have a kiss and make up without a goodbye? A goodbye meaningful enough you get to grieve over the other person rather than focus half your attention on when is he going to be back? or What’s he doing? or Why is it taking so long? or How can I survive this? or What am I going to tell these people to get them off my back?

That is totally excellent! Just realize that if you love someone, you will give them some air for long enough to breathe, and some leash long enough to go perform their duties and missions. Would you want your husband to achieve his goal before he comes back to his queen, triumphant and ready to celebrate, or take a break and finish his quest later or not at all, so that he may spend a weekend with you?

Similarly, if Jesus is your husband, that is just for the woman side of you. To us he’s a friend but not a spouse. But at least men get to be married to the Church so they can have a bride. For that matter, as a part of the Body of Christ, the Church is in a way your bride. So if you accomplish wonderful things for humanity then you will also be truly victorious while you stay near your bride and then to return to Jesus, His bride but still victorious. There will be trumpets sounding and the choir belting it out.

If all that seems too grandiose, let’s take a scaled down example. Your husband leaves to go get a haircut, a dozen eggs, and some light bulbs. After three hours he finally returns and you are steamed. Turns out he was witness to an accident and was blocked by it then questioned by police, so he didn’t even get to the haircut until two hours after leaving. You missed him, but things were under control and you were just watching TV with your feet up. Would you rather he would have come home immediately after the police let him go so he could be with you sooner, or just go ahead and take the extra hour to do the errands?

You are right about that. He wants us to be ready at any time. But the more we do His good work on earth, the more we ripen and sweeten with age, so it’s up to Him when he wants to pluck us off the branch.

Yes, I did actually intend that for you. I thought it was you while I typed it. 😛

Exactly. Ironically, we can’t truly have it until we lose it, either!!!

Mark 8:35-36
“For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and that of the gospel will save it. What profit is there for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?”

Yeah!

Alan
Thanks for that. No I don’t think the King/Queen allegory was too grandiose…it was all beautiful! I really liked your example about how things are only sweet in this life because of loss…Those dearest to us in life are even dearer to us after you go through separation, whether it is one hour or years.
 
Could you explain what you mean? I think you were saying that I will have to work on this myself and that posting on a forum won’t really solve the issue.
Nothing at all.
It is my stupid english and my stupid keyboard competence.
I was saying that you are needed here. You have got a job (not a jog !!!) to do here and no one can do it for you.
If you depart before time, you will be missed. You have an place that will be without nobody, there will be a chair in the table which will be empty.
The day of departure of plains is decided but the Company.
The day of departure from Earth is decided by the Boss High Above. His it the decision to land in Heaven.
 
I almost feel like it is a spiritual gift that God gives you, otherwise I just don’t know how I could feel this when so many do not.

And on THAT note, even if this desire is a spiritual gift, it makes me so sad! I just want to be with Jesus. I am quenching the desire by spending a lot of time with Jesus in the Eucharist, but then I don’t want to tear myself away from him in Adoration either! How could God give us the Blessed Sacrament and expect us not to spend our whole lives in adoration, 24/7?
^I guess that is where the cloistered vocation comes in…🤷
Perhaps this answers your question. Indeed, many people do not feel this desire and many couldn’t care less about spending time in front of the Blessed Sacrament. I Agree that it is a gift.
 
“Having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better.”—Philippians 1:23.

I am experiencing a completely new desire to depart and be with Jesus. It is overwhelming and, honestly, puts a little damper on everything I am doing. I have never felt this way before my ‘true conversion’ but now I just want to be with Jesus and experience the Beatific Vision of His Holy Face! Of course I am not suicidal or anything. I am excited to please Jesus in living out the vocation He has for me in the best way possible. I know I will enter eternity in way better shape after living a full life devoted to Jesus, but I just can’t shake this encompassing desire to depart and be with Him and His Mother.

What makes it even more difficult is that I read the Bible and look at the lives of the saints, and they share this desire! But it is so…not normal. I feel very strange being OK, even joyous, at death. My greatest fear used to be having my parents pass away, now, I would be OK because I would know they were in the glory of heaven and this would bring me so much joy!

Do any of you share this desire? How do you cope in day to day life? How do you deal with people giving you strange looks and such?
Thank you.
If there is one thing that you should not worry about is death.
Surely, it will come as you will not stay here for ever.
So take your mind out of it. Enjoy a good cup of red wine, Beethoven and Dire Straits and Bob Marley, good feminine company (you are a man I guess), reading a book, watching the sunset over the sea or plains, enjoy helping people in need. Remember: you will not have this in Paradise. Anyhow, why worry about 100 years that you stay here if you will have trillions of trillions of centuries in Paradise.
Take your time…
 
If there is one thing that you should not worry about is death.
Surely, it will come as you will not stay here for ever.
So take your mind out of it. Enjoy a good cup of red wine, Beethoven and Dire Straits and Bob Marley, good feminine company (you are a man I guess), reading a book, watching the sunset over the sea or plains, enjoy helping people in need. Remember: you will not have this in Paradise. Anyhow, why worry about 100 years that you stay here if you will have trillions of trillions of centuries in Paradise.
Take your time…
Hahahahaha I am a girl and under 21 so minus the female company and drinking i will definitely take your advice! 😉

And I am not scared or nervous about death…I just want it so I can be in heaven!
 
Hahahahaha I am a girl and under 21 so minus the female company and drinking i will definitely take your advice! 😉

And I am not scared or nervous about death…I just want it so I can be in heaven!
I also want to be with Jesus now, and forever!!! Amen Sister
 
I also want to be with Jesus now, and forever!!! Amen Sister
But you are with Him now!!!

And now is forever because it’s always all of the time you have at any given moment. Past is memory, future is imagination.

That’s the Big Lie. You don’t have to find God; He lives within you.

For some reason, the vast majority of us have been conditioned into thinking that God is somewhere out there, and we have to go find Him. If we’d stop trying to hunt Him down and impress Him with our faith, we’d find He’s been with us the whole time and loves us unconditionally regardless of our efforts to please Him.

Wishing for heaven is great, but God has given us this world as our appetizer for the feast. For some reason we seem to think that the appetizer is an obstacle course to be struggled against and defeated, instead of spiritual food and vitamins that God likes to provide for His guests.

I mean, you became Christ after your first Eucharist, and every time you receive you enrich that. That’s pretty intimate. The Holy Spirit is like a spring that wells up from within you. If that doesn’t give you a thrill, then let’s talk about it. Jesus wants us to have life in abundance. It’s something I wouldn’t want to miss or rush, when Jesus says “abundance” I think He means serious abundance beyond our needs, wants, desires, or even imagination. If we stay and consume the appetizer fully, and get all that God wants us to have before we leave earth, we will have that much more to talk about when we’re hanging out at the heavenly water cooler.

This is not Catholic, but I like it anyway. Check out this little video about Music and Life. It discusses having a purpose in life v. what life is about. :dancing:

Alan
 
Thanks for the reminder, Alan

Very true very true. Never forget 😃
 
But you are with Him now!!!

And now is forever because it’s always all of the time you have at any given moment. Past is memory, future is imagination.

That’s the Big Lie. You don’t have to find God; He lives within you.

!Wishing for heaven is great, but God has given us this world as our appetizer for the feast. For some reason we seem to think that the appetizer is an obstacle course to be struggled against and defeated, instead of spiritual food and vitamins that God likes to provide for His guests.

I mean, you became Christ after your first Eucharist, and every time you receive you enrich that. That’s pretty intimate. The Holy Spirit is like a spring that wells up from within you. If that doesn’t give you a thrill, then let’s talk about it. Jesus wants us to have life in abundance. It’s something I wouldn’t want to miss or rush, when Jesus says “abundance” I think He means serious abundance beyond our needs, wants, desires, or even imagination. If we stay and consume the appetizer fully, and get all that God wants us to have before we leave earth, we will have that much more to talk about when we’re hanging out at the heavenly water cooler.

This is not Catholic, but I like it anyway. Check out this little video about Music and Life. It discusses having a purpose in life v. what life is about. :dancing:

Alan
I get what you are saying…but I don’t want death just because life is hard. I have a very happy end fulfilled life and to often forget to thank God for the blessings He continually showers down upon me. And I know Jesus is truly present, just as much as He is in heaven, in the Eucharist. I know that with my mind and I am working on it within my heart…and the Eucharist is where I find sanctuary while I am here on Earth, but I want to SEE Jesus in heaven! I know it is very clearly His will that I keep on trucking since I a so young and have accomished so little for His Kingdom…but I a part of the Church, Jesus’ bride, and I want to be with Him in His fullness just like a bride wants her husband to come home from fighting in Iraq. A wise person once told me that the mot beautiful thing we can witness in our lifetime is a professed religious receiving the Eucharist, since it is truly Christ’s consummation to His whole Church. However, I think there is something extra special about nuns, priests, brothers, and sisters taking the Blessed Sacrament since they have given their life so fully to him. This is why I loved what you said abut how intimate and vulnerable Jesus becomes in the Eucharist.

PS-please disregard any horrid errors, I typed this on an iPad…BIG mistake! 😛
 
I get what you are saying…but I don’t want death just because life is hard. I have a very happy end fulfilled life and to often forget to thank God for the blessings He continually showers down upon me.
Understand. You’re not looking forward to advancing to the next level, though not until after you complete this one.
And I know Jesus is truly present, just as much as He is in heaven, in the Eucharist. I know that with my mind and I am working on it within my heart…and the Eucharist is where I find sanctuary while I am here on Earth, but I want to SEE Jesus in heaven!
But we won’t fully recognize Jesus in heaven until we can see Jesus in each other. And we are challenged to treat each other as we would Him. So I challenge you to develop the same passion about fellowship with other people as you do with Jesus. I honestly think that will a) help you get through purgatory faster because there will be less purging to do, and b) when you do meet Jesus in heaven you will fully recognize Him, having seen Him in the context of each other.

Basically it’s a matter of getting dressed for the banquet. The banquet is our plan, but the earth is our dressing room where we may put on the proper garments.

So I take what you are saying like a bride getting dressed before the ceremony, saying, “I can hardly wait another hour.” She desires the wedding, but has no plans or desire to cut short the dressing period in order to bring it on faster.
I know it is very clearly His will that I keep on trucking since I a so young and have accomished so little for His Kingdom…
I do believe it is His will for you to keep on trucking; if it weren’t you would know it.

I don’t know the mind of God, but am cautious to be ever mindful that entrance to heaven is not something we can achieve by earning it.

I’m not saying you are at risk her based on this example, but it’s something that is frequently on my mind so I am very sensitive to this and like to give such thinking a very wide berth.
but I a part of the Church, Jesus’ bride, and I want to be with Him in His fullness just like a bride wants her husband to come home from fighting in Iraq. A wise person once told me that the mot beautiful thing we can witness in our lifetime is a professed religious receiving the Eucharist, since it is truly Christ’s consummation to His whole Church.
That’s wonderful. And of course you’re not saying you want him to get out without regard to the mission or his fellow soldiers in order to haste a less meaningful reunion.
However, I think there is something extra special about nuns, priests, brothers, and sisters taking the Blessed Sacrament since they have given their life so fully to him. This is why I loved what you said abut how intimate and vulnerable Jesus becomes in the Eucharist.
PS-please disregard any horrid errors, I typed this on an iPad…BIG mistake! 😛
I get chills at events with lots of religious, but I also get a kick out of seeing lay people of all shapes and sorts taking Communion – it reminds me of where we got the word “Catholic.”

Peace and joy to you is my wish. I’m sure we will love it together in heaven; meanwhile I’m glad we had this time to minister to each other here on earth. :tiphat:

edit: hmmm I just thought of something… if we are neither married nor given in marriage in heaven, what does that mean in terms of friendship in heaven – either developed there (if the word “friend” even means anything) or carried over from earth? (Mark 12:25, Luke 20:34-36)

Alan
 
Understand. You’re not looking forward to advancing to the next level, though not until after you complete this one.

But we won’t fully recognize Jesus in heaven until we can see Jesus in each other. And we are challenged to treat each other as we would Him. So I challenge you to develop the same passion about fellowship with other people as you do with Jesus. I honestly think that will a) help you get through purgatory faster because there will be less purging to do, and b) when you do meet Jesus in heaven you will fully recognize Him, having seen Him in the context of each other.

Basically it’s a matter of getting dressed for the banquet. The banquet is our plan, but the earth is our dressing room where we may put on the proper garments.

So I take what you are saying like a bride getting dressed before the ceremony, saying, “I can hardly wait another hour.” She desires the wedding, but has no plans or desire to cut short the dressing period in order to bring it on faster.

I do believe it is His will for you to keep on trucking; if it weren’t you would know it.

I don’t know the mind of God, but am cautious to be ever mindful that entrance to heaven is not something we can achieve by earning it.

I’m not saying you are at risk her based on this example, but it’s something that is frequently on my mind so I am very sensitive to this and like to give such thinking a very wide berth.

That’s wonderful. And of course you’re not saying you want him to get out without regard to the mission or his fellow soldiers in order to haste a less meaningful reunion.

I get chills at events with lots of religious, but I also get a kick out of seeing lay people of all shapes and sorts taking Communion – it reminds me of where we got the word “Catholic.”

Peace and joy to you is my wish. I’m sure we will love it together in heaven; meanwhile I’m glad we had this time to minister to each other here on earth

edit: hmmm I just thought of something… if we are neither married nor given in marriage in heaven, what does that mean in terms of friendship in heaven – either developed there (if the word “friend” even means anything) or carried over from earth? (Mark 12:25, Luke 20:34-36)

Alan
Goodness. I read back over my comment you responding to and that does sound like I feel I need to earn Heaven. :eek: That’s not it at all!! I just want Jesus to say, “well done, good and faithful servant” once I am there…right now I don’t know if I would hear that. I am not sure what friends are called in heaven!!

I LOVE this: "Basically it’s a matter of getting dressed for the banquet. The banquet is our plan, but the earth is our dressing room where we may put on the proper garments.

So I take what you are saying like a bride getting dressed before the ceremony, saying, “I can hardly wait another hour.” She desires the wedding, but has no plans or desire to cut short the dressing period in order to bring it on faster."

^so good! We should remain eager to meet Jesus in heaven but treasure the time He gives us to prepare ourselves-or as He says it: I am preparing a room for you. So beautiful! And we know that Christ works all things together for the good of those who love Him…so I am sure Jesus would love for me and you to be with Him fully in Heaven right now…but He gives us this time for OUR good…so we can prepare ourselves adequately…so we can get to Heaven with no regrets, no “if you had just given me ten more years I would visited you in prison, clothed you when you were naked, fed you when you were hungry, etc.” Wow.
 
I get what you are saying…but I don’t want death just because life is hard. I have a very happy end fulfilled life and to often forget to thank God for the blessings He continually showers down upon me. And I know Jesus is truly present, just as much as He is in heaven, in the Eucharist. I know that with my mind and I am working on it within my heart…and the Eucharist is where I find sanctuary while I am here on Earth, but I want to SEE Jesus in heaven!
I’m with you. And when I say “see” I mean in any sense “see” can mean literally or figuratively.

Have you ever heard of the Dark Night of the Soul, by St. John of the Cross?

It explains the Stanzas of the Soul which depict the journey of a soul which dares to travel to find its lover, the soul preferring to travel under cover of darkness because when it leaves its house it knows everything there is safe and secure, and thereby is able to free itself of its worldly concerns and let itself be drawn by the call of the lover. I’m highly paraphrasing this, btw, so if it isn’t what others see in it I’d like to hear other takes on it.

Eventually the soul finds its lover, and relaxes truly and profoundly.

Have you ever heard of contemplative prayer? If not you’re in for a huge treat, as the Catechism tells us that this type of prayer, being the most deep and profound among the three forms vocal, meditative, and contemplative, achieves true union with Christ and allows us to share in His mystery. (see CCC 2700-2724) Another term for Contemplative Prayer is “resting in God.” If I hadn’t found out about contemplative prayer, I would still be psychotic.

Anyway, here are the Stanzas of the Soul, from the Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross:

One dark night,
fired with love’s urgent longings
—ah, the sheer grace!—
I went out unseen,
my house being now all stilled.

In darkness, and secure,
by the secret ladder, disguised,
—ah, the sheer grace!—
in darkness and concealment,
my house being now all stilled.

On that glad night,
in secret, for no one saw me,
nor did I look at anything,
with no other light or guide
than the one that burned in my heart.

This guided me
more surely than the light of noon
to where he was awaiting me
—him I knew so well—
there in a place where no one appeared.

O guiding night!
O night more lovely than the dawn!
O night that has united
the Lover with his beloved,
transforming the beloved in her Lover.

Upon my flowering breast
which I kept wholly for him alone,
there he lay sleeping,
and I caressing him
there in a breeze from the fanning cedars.

When the breeze blew from the turret,
as I parted his hair,
it wounded my neck
with its gentle hand,
suspending all my senses.

I abandoned and forgot myself,
laying my face on my Beloved;
all things ceased; I went out from myself,
leaving my cares
forgotten among the lilies.

Peace and joy,
Alan
 
Hahahahaha I am a girl and under 21 so minus the female company and drinking i will definitely take your advice! 😉

And I am not scared or nervous about death…I just want it so I can be in heaven!
So, a good male company and a cup of red wine (A CUP, I did not say drinking which is another thing!).

You want to be in Heaven with Jesus but it is not you who give orders !
You do not say: “I want the airplane to take off at 13:13, or that the train arrives at 18:18 or that the sun sets at 20:20”. You do not give orders to airplanes, trains or the sun.
You do not give orders to Jesus.
He is your Boss not the inverse.
Jesus said: “My happiness is to do the will of the Father”.
So, I tell you, forget your will, think on what Christ wishes from you, which orders He has got to give to you, which missions (like in the police thrillers !!!) does He have for you.
Slowly, you will learn on being happy following Jesus.

emmaberry, our happiness if to follow Jesus not to do our will. Whoever follows Her own wills reaches nowhere. Whoever follows Christ’s orders reaches happiness.

You seem to be a smart girl, you will learn fast…
 
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