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porriwiggle
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RyanL
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Is that all?
If you want God to take your life from you, you have but to give your life to Him. Die to yourself, so that Jesus might live in you. God will receive your life and put His own in its stead. Give yourself freely, completely, and without reservation to God. Abandon yourself to Him; let no desire, pain or pleasure be yours – make them all His. Be broken for Him, just as He was broken for us. Offer your whole life to God, and He will take it.
You will die. He will live. This may not be the way you want to die, but this is the way He wants you to die. That should mean something.
Perhaps a brief stay at a monastery would clear things up for you. Taking in those in need is part of what they do. If I may, might I also recommend availing yourself of the sacraments (penance, Eucharist) at the earliest opportunity.
God Bless,
RyanL
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Steven_Merten
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Hello Sinner1,
Have you ever considered becoming a Catholic missionary in Southern Lebonon to convert Humas to Christianity or a Catholic missionary to Iran? Doing so will grant you the same physical outcome as suicide but spiritually martyrs are of the eleit in heaven while unrepentant suicide lands one in hell.
St. Paul, while in prison, was elated at the opportunity to suffer and die for Christ.
If your life means nothing to you, possibly putting your life on the line for what you believe in will be easier for you than for the many other Christians who are not running to Lebonon to convert Humas to Christianity.
It would be pretty hard for God to “take your life from you” if you just stayed in America. If you were to use free will to choose to become a Catholic lay minister or priest in an area hostile to Christianity, whether you consider it “God taking your life” or not, the probubility that you will die gets a whole lot greater than simply staying in America.
Now I am not for you wanting to die. I am also not for so few Catholics wanting to go to Southern Lebonon or Iran to preach the gospel of Christ to those hostile to Christianity. The two just seem to go together.
I am thinking that as you prepared to physically die for Christ, preaching to Humas in Lebonon or Iran, that you will begin to spiritually live in the idea of what living for Jesus is all about.
Have you ever considered becoming a Catholic missionary in Southern Lebonon to convert Humas to Christianity or a Catholic missionary to Iran? Doing so will grant you the same physical outcome as suicide but spiritually martyrs are of the eleit in heaven while unrepentant suicide lands one in hell.
St. Paul, while in prison, was elated at the opportunity to suffer and die for Christ.
If your life means nothing to you, possibly putting your life on the line for what you believe in will be easier for you than for the many other Christians who are not running to Lebonon to convert Humas to Christianity.
It would be pretty hard for God to “take your life from you” if you just stayed in America. If you were to use free will to choose to become a Catholic lay minister or priest in an area hostile to Christianity, whether you consider it “God taking your life” or not, the probubility that you will die gets a whole lot greater than simply staying in America.
Now I am not for you wanting to die. I am also not for so few Catholics wanting to go to Southern Lebonon or Iran to preach the gospel of Christ to those hostile to Christianity. The two just seem to go together.
I am thinking that as you prepared to physically die for Christ, preaching to Humas in Lebonon or Iran, that you will begin to spiritually live in the idea of what living for Jesus is all about.
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Melanie01
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I wish it every single day of my life…but I do not seek it, that would be an abuse of the life God has given me. I have been told it is a gift but I can not see as such. Try not to put your concept of life and justice etc onto what the good God ordains for us.I do try to offer my daily life to God because it must make sense somehow and no doubt one day I too will see that every moment of my life whilst long and tedious in the here and now will seem but a blink of the eye.
Do not hestitate to seek medical/professional help either for that is for us to utilise…
Even wordless pray is not ignored, remember Jesus in the Garden when distressed unto death was sent consolation from His Father…so are we if we simply ask.
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BlazingBolt
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I am no authority but I would think that this is a sin. I think it is OK to look forward to death but not to desire to hasten it. Life is a wonderful blessing and we should be grateful for it. The way that we find true happiness in this Life is by cooperating with God’s will. What a wonderful gift for God to count us worthy of being instruments to accomplish his will in this world such as when he allows us to participate in bringing others to salvation. We should desire to do God’s work before we find rest on the Sabbath. To desire that God take your life form you now is like being lazy, it is like rejecting your work.
These desires may be a sign of a deeper problem and you should definitely express them and not be afraid to seek help. Pray to God to give you strength as well.
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wcknight
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Wanting to die may or may not be a sin BUT it is definitely a sign that you may need professional psychological help. IF the world seems like such an awful place that you no longer value life, then you may have a serious problem with depression. It is an illness, and no it does not mean that you are crazy. It may simply be a chemical imbalance, or completely physical. Get help and soon.
Please talk to a professional counselor or at least to a priest.
Please talk to a professional counselor or at least to a priest.
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rpp
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You know, I make more than my share of typos But sometimes there are one or two that leave me in stiches. Sometimes I wonder if people are making intentional puns!
Now I do not mean to tease or mock, but Steven, that typo is so great!! :bounce::bounce:
Hamas is the Islamic terroist organization. Humus is the food, made of chick peas and olive oil and resembling butterscotch pudding, they eat. You combined them in one word! The pictures is bring to mind… :whacky:
Anyway, back to the thread…
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rpp
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Many saints desired to die. St. Francis of Assisi desired martyrdom, but never got it.
Like many sins, it is the motivation that fuels the desire to die.
If you want to “end it all”, “escape”, “shorten the pain” or take steps to bring about your own demise, that is where you will probably get into trouble.
If you want to be with God, or have tried every reasonable measure to stay alive (recall Pope John Paul II’s final days), then you will will likely not be committing a sin.
Basically, if this desire is motivated by some type of despair, or you try to bring about your early demise, then it may be sinful, probably gravely sinful. These can also be signs of some serious things going on so a person who feels this way should immediatly talk to someone, nearly anyone. (Be real careful in Oregon, euthansia is legal here!
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Like many sins, it is the motivation that fuels the desire to die.
If you want to “end it all”, “escape”, “shorten the pain” or take steps to bring about your own demise, that is where you will probably get into trouble.
If you want to be with God, or have tried every reasonable measure to stay alive (recall Pope John Paul II’s final days), then you will will likely not be committing a sin.
Basically, if this desire is motivated by some type of despair, or you try to bring about your early demise, then it may be sinful, probably gravely sinful. These can also be signs of some serious things going on so a person who feels this way should immediatly talk to someone, nearly anyone. (Be real careful in Oregon, euthansia is legal here!
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djamu
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God’s mercy and kidness prevails in suicide cases. I was about to commit suicide one day and thought for sure I was going to hell. I felt suicidal every night for no reason at all. Then I found out it was one of my medicines that was causing me to think like this - and I went along with it. Suicide is a disease. I don’t believe one bit in that oooh suicidle peeps go to hell ****.
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JonathanKinsman
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And the fact that He hasn’t should tell you EXACTLY how He feels about your silly wanting to die !
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JonathanKinsman
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I convert humus to energy three times a week and I didn’t have to go to Southern Lebanon!
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mommyof4
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I hate humas, so I guess I would be a terrible missionary.
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Neo_Canaan
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It is, since it’s a mark of cowardice, and God and his son don’t like cowards.
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LindaS
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Sorry, I have to disagree with this. Those who commit, or attempt to commit, suicide are not cowards. They are people who are suffering such severe pain, either physical or mental, that they cannot see any other way to get relief. I work with these people every day, and, until you have suffered as they have, and do, you have no right to call them cowards. Pray for them for they need your prayers, not your criticism.
Peace,
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rpp
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I disgree with you both. I also agree with both of you.
There are many people who have attemted to take their own lives. Some of these people have serious psychological problems. Other people “see no way out”. These two broad catagories do not even begin to address cultural influences that contribute to suicide. For example, in Japan, there is little or no shame in committing suicide; in some cases it is expected!
We cannot draw broad conclusions about suicide. It is often difficult to distinguish between someone who is unable to make a rational decision and someone who is unwilling to face a difficult situation. To say that everyone who commits suicide is somehow deranged is flatly wrong.
Some people may be confronting a difficult situation, breakup with their girl/boy friend, death of a pet, the IRS coming after them, but choose the “easy” way, a permanent solution to a temporary problem. That is cowardice.
Others suffer from some type of serious mental disease and frankly may not be capable of rational thought at all times. Can these people be held responsible? Only God can judge.
Meanwhile those whose culture tells them that suicide is appropriate have a different story to tell. Many years ago, a Japanese airline mechanic working in Tokyo at Japan Airlines made a small but critical mistake which lead to the crash of a 747 airliner that killed many people. That mechanic, along with his supervisor who signed off on his work, killed themselves after making their statement to investigators. Was this cowardice or psychological defect? Personally, I think it was former; aided and abetted by cultural pressure.
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