Desperation of the Moslem

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Dear friends.

This is a testimony about christianity but even more its a testimony about islam.

I urge all the christians and jews here to watch it… it will urge us to love our moslem neighbours more and know the situation they stand in.

youtube.com/watch?v=zGAq3ut12NM&feature=related

the man dr. ergun is a convert from islam to christianity… I know that no moslem therefore wants to spend time hearing him… but its really a high level account of what is going on and I hope many of you here on CAF would take just 8 minutes to hear this.

Grace 👍
 
Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard God’s Messenger saying: ‘The good deeds of any person will not be enough make him enter Paradise.’ They (the Prophet’s companions) said, ‘Not even you, O God’s Messenger?’ He said, ‘Not even myself, unless God bestows His favour and mercy on me.’ (Sahih Bukhari 7:70:577)

Abu Huraira reported God’s Messenger as saying: There is none whose deeds alone would entitle him to get into Paradise. It was said to him: But, God’s Messenger, not even you? Thereupon he said: Not even I, but that my Lord wraps me in Mercy. (Sahih Muslim 39:6761)

Abu Huraira reported God’s Messenger as saying: None amongst you can get into Paradise by virtue of his deeds. They said: God’s Messenger, not even you? Thereupon he said: Not even I, but that God should wrap me in His Grace and Mercy. (Sahih Muslim 39:6764)

Abu Huraira reported God’s Messenger as saying: Observe moderation in deeds, and understand that none amongst you can attain salvation because of his deeds alone. They said: God’s Messenger, not even you? Thereupon he said: Not even I, but that God should wrap me in His Mercy and Grace. (Sahih Muslim 39:6765)
 
youtube.com/watch?v=xFZrSPUoH3I&feature=related
Sister Yvonne Ridley Becomes Muslim Islam Video

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Islam in Nederland - New Muslim

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Dutch Muslim Revert sisters in Holland (The Netherland) 1/6

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British Revert Sis. Jan talks about being a muslim in the UK

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british non muslim girl converted to islam

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non muslims western girls converting to Islam

Lady this goes both ways, but the Ummah of Islam grows,

WE ARE THE EMPIRE OF FAITH, this is destiny, it was meant to happen
 
youtube.com/watch?v=xFZrSPUoH3I&feature=related
Sister Yvonne Ridley Becomes Muslim Islam Video

youtube.com/watch?v=xKu3celNKOE&feature=related
Islam in Nederland - New Muslim



Lady this goes both ways, but the Ummah of Islam grows,

WE ARE THE EMPIRE OF FAITH, this is destiny, it was meant to happen
Sir, you are perfectly illustrating why I only asked Jews and Christians to dialog here about the clip because I did not expect that Muslims would look at it and go into an actual rational dialog about it.
You have proven that point sufficiently. You wont even look at the clip.

Please go and start your own thread if you have something you want commented. You are destroying my thread.

About you last remark. I know… some people that don’t know Christianity convert into Islam…That is true: In my country its young foolish girls who marry a Muslim and, knowing nothing of the religion of their fathers, they become Muslims… But we have at least as many Muslims becoming Christians… especially in Iran and Saudi Arabia where Jesus reveals himself to the Muslims in their dreams at night. But YOU don’t know how many Muslims become Christians because **they dare not tell you **because you are ready to kill them if they do. You have no religious freedom in the countries dominated by Islam.

AND… you are not right about your very last words.
You see: Evil will devour itself… LOVE and TRUTH with last for all eternity. Fear and desperation is directing the Muslim… not love. I met a Muslim man who told me he had never cried in all his life. I thought to him: You havent cried because fear leaves no room for tears… only love does that. The one who never cries does not know love.

Jesus said: I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE, WHOEVER COMES TO ME I WILL NEVER REJECT… I WILL GIVE THE ONE WHO THIRSTS TO DRINK SO HE NEVER THRISTS AGAIN.

In Jesus there is only purity, love, compassion and holiness.
 
Grace as a Muslim I beleive in the One true God, I take no partners with him, I pray to him daily, I and all muslims refuse to break our faith in the face of secular western aggression…

You come from a people infested with immorality, fornication, porn…

You take partners with God, you follow society and fit Gods will in with your society.

Islam is attacked and demonised YET islam spreads, it is destiny, it is amazing that we have SO MUCH propaganda against us, Yet islam psreads more then ever before.

Islam is a way of life, a code of existance, it is not a faith, you dont fit it in on Sundays you live it,
 
Grace as a Muslim I beleive in the One true God, I take no partners with him, I pray to him daily, I and all muslims refuse to break our faith in the face of secular western aggression…

You come from a people infested with immorality, fornication, porn…

You take partners with God, you follow society and fit Gods will in with your society.

Islam is attacked and demonised YET islam spreads, it is destiny, it is amazing that we have SO MUCH propaganda against us, Yet islam psreads more then ever before.

Islam is a way of life, a code of existance, it is not a faith, you dont fit it in on Sundays you live it,
You are right… I live in a society that is infected with immorality, fornication and porn… So do you sir… in all due respect, but you whip people and kill them when you find out, which is why people hide their sins quite well and when they have lost their virginity they go to Egypt to have a new one made at the hospital.

However… at least my God was not revealed to me by a pedopile murderer but by a Man Jesus Christ who acted, spoke and taught WORTHILY…
And because my God is good and compassionate I can admit that I am not perfect but that I am a sinner… You on the other hand have to lie and say you are not sinners…

I will tell you …in case you did not notice many moslems are violent, liars, fornicators, adolators, pedofiles, murderers and suppresers of other people, and giant hypocrites… This takes place in my own society in front of my face every day… The moslem men are fornicators big time here… while they suppress their women and even their little girls to dress up in the chador.

Believe it or not but Christians pray every day and we have Masses every day… we dont only have friday-gathering like you do… and we dont pray on set times like the Muslims out of fear.
Our Scripture tells us to NEVER stop praying.

Islam is the greatest agressor into the western world today. I can only be relieved that your people show their own intentions and no one needs to make up stories because we see how moslems burn our flags and embassies, kill their own dauthers and molest them, speak hatred from their pulpits and show their jew-hatred on their public TV as well as attacking Jews on the bus and mocking children that carry a cross.

We surely know your clergy speaks with TWO TONGUES because that is okay according to hadith… But the western world is beginning to open its eyes although they are slow and naive…
Even if you kill us you cannot kill Christ…
He has ALREADY DIED and RESURRECTED
 
I have read the Quran and pieces of the Hadith…

But I strongly doubt you have read the New Testament.

I find Muhammed a highly problematic person … a criminal in so many ways.

Jesus, unlike muhammed, was and is a trustworthy who LOVED…

LOVE… yes… meditate on the Love of Jesus… the western soecieties are in trouble because people are evil and Christian freedom allows people the freedom to be what and who they want to be even when that means that people turn away from Christianity and become immoral beasts that eventually go to hell…

Dont believe in me nor in the church as you see it… But believe In
JESUS CHRIST, the Living Son of God.
He is the Only One that never fails or lets you down.
 
You are right on one thing…

I was born and raised in Europe, so I indeed come from a decadent and moraless society filled with immorality, porn and fornication…

Out of all the people’s in the world, the Muslims are the most faithful, we have the least amount of fornicators, adulterers. More Muslims pray and worship God on a daily basis then any other people’s on Earth.

We Muslims are the empire of faith,

Grace you come from a people devoid of faith and morality, who glorify alcoholism, fornication and sexual deviations…

YOU are the strong, who have spent centuries torturing and humiliating innocent people across the World.

It is your imperialistic colonial mindset which leads you to attack and abuse cultures other then yours.

The Muslims will not bow to your aggression, your lies, you lack of morality, the more you step on us and hurt us the more we will spread and grow…

Your insecurities and fear of islam is our testament to the spread of islam,

The enemies of the faithful and God always fear and attack his will and the faithful…
 
Grace I have read the bible and NT, I beleive it is corrupt, read my views on the orruption of the bible on another post and prove me wrong.

My wife is a former chritian who converted to islam, as is her. sister. I have non muslims in laws

In was born and raised in the west as were all my brothers and sisters, we are on the inside of your culture so telling me lies about your culture wont work…

Can I ask what country you are from Grace.
 
Grace I have read the bible and NT, I beleive it is corrupt, read my views on the orruption of the bible on another post and prove me wrong.

My wife is a former chritian who converted to islam, as is her. sister. I have non muslims in laws

In was born and raised in the west as were all my brothers and sisters, we are on the inside of your culture so telling me lies about your culture wont work…

Can I ask what country you are from Grace.
Lies… No… I dont need to lie… thats a moslem practise as you know too…

You are not inside anything exept your waco world view… your own quran teaches you you can have nothing to do with infidels without bringing damnation down on your self. So you may live in UK but you are not a part of their life … for all I care you might not work but are on welfare so you dont have to get infected with the rest of society…
You are a traitor of your country and the way you speak of it is without love… all you see is decadence… all you do to stop it is spreading your religion of hatred.

I will surely tell you where I come from so you can talk about that in your tea club with the other men while you have your wives locked up in the next room.

I am from Denmark. YEAH, take that. It is my Flag with the CHRISTIAN CROSS on it that the moslems have burned and stepped on the last two years all over the islamic world. Talk about RESPECT for peoples religious feelings… Your moslem people have done nothing but prove the message of the muhammed drawings since the day they were first shown.
One Catholic Priest who was praying peacefully in his Church in Turkey was even shot by a moslem who was angry at the muhammed drawings… thereby proving the violence once more.
No, you cant hide behind history, sir, your islamic violence is there for everyone to see in the whole world.

Your glergy here went to tell the world how ill treated the moslems are in Denmark, while we give the muslims houses, food and shelter and free medical care… there has not been one report of racism in Denmark from muslims this year so far… For your record.

As a Jesus-believer I dont like Islam and I don’t like secular atheism that is the dominant religion in Europe… Both of them are lies from the powers of darkness.

Jesus Christ will win… You will see.
As for your wife. I can only pray for her and pity her because she has settled for darkness instead of light.
 
Grace as a Muslim I beleive in the One true God, I take no partners with him, I pray to him daily, I and all muslims refuse to break our faith in the face of secular western aggression…

You come from a people infested with immorality, fornication, porn…

You take partners with God, you follow society and fit Gods will in with your society.

Islam is attacked and demonised YET islam spreads, it is destiny, it is amazing that we have SO MUCH propaganda against us, Yet islam psreads more then ever before.

Islam is a way of life, a code of existance, it is not a faith, you dont fit it in on Sundays you live it,
Hello,

i am a muslim, i disagree on the way you talk to the lady. Your way is uncharitable and offensive and doesnt represents how a muslim should dialougue with people whom our own religion ordered to treat with respect.

We are not in a challenege and a contest with Christians and jews, i would urge you rto appologise for the lady . Our land is not pure of fornication , sin and porn as well. this is a global problems. Again the manner in which you adressed this poster is not charitable and gives the wrong picture about what Islam teaches.

Ob behalf of my brother i appologize,

meedo
 
You are right… I live in a society that is infected with immorality, fornication and porn… So do you sir… in all due respect, but you whip people and kill them when you find out, which is why people hide their sins quite well and when they have lost their virginity they go to Egypt to have a new one made at the hospital.

However… at least my God was not revealed to me by a pedopile murderer but by a Man Jesus Christ who acted, spoke and taught WORTHILY…
And because my God is good and compassionate I can admit that I am not perfect but that I am a sinner… You on the other hand have to lie and say you are not sinners…

I will tell you …in case you did not notice many moslems are violent, liars, fornicators, adolators, pedofiles, murderers and suppresers of other people, and giant hypocrites… This takes place in my own society in front of my face every day… The moslem men are fornicators big time here… while they suppress their women and even their little girls to dress up in the chador.

Believe it or not but Christians pray every day and we have Masses every day… we dont only have friday-gathering like you do… and we dont pray on set times like the Muslims out of fear.
Our Scripture tells us to NEVER stop praying.

Islam is the greatest agressor into the western world today. I can only be relieved that your people show their own intentions and no one needs to make up stories because we see how moslems burn our flags and embassies, kill their own dauthers and molest them, speak hatred from their pulpits and show their jew-hatred on their public TV as well as attacking Jews on the bus and mocking children that carry a cross.

We surely know your clergy speaks with TWO TONGUES because that is okay according to hadith… But the western world is beginning to open its eyes although they are slow and naive…
Even if you kill us you cannot kill Christ…
He has ALREADY DIED and RESURRECTED
hi,

I don’t think you have been more charitabke than him in your response. Both of you need a chill.

FYI racism is rife in Denmark. The folk parti is notorious and there has been a dead turk boy killed by a Danish gang recently.

If your country takes muslims as assylum seekers well its mostly because of mistakes that your christian worold has done to muslims. Ask yourself why palestinians are displaced or iraquis have been leaving iraq .

meedo
 
If Western Society is so awful, it does rather make one wonder why so many Muslims decide/decided to move to the West from earthly paradises like Pakistan and the vast majority seem quite happy to stay.

I wonder if it it just that they think that life is better in the West?
 
If your country takes muslims as assylum seekers well its mostly because of mistakes that your christian worold has done to muslims. Ask yourself why palestinians are displaced or iraquis have been leaving iraq .

meedo
meedo, I would venture to suggest that Muslims are just as capable of messing things up as any Westerner.
 
“you came from a ppl infested morality,fornication,porn…”.rayaan try to behave yourself and mind your language ok?you are always quarrelsome and offensive.mr gracedk is true many christian boys or girls convert to islam just for so called love and marry.its true.i belive its a nasty policy of maximum muslims.they emotionally blackmailled them to convert to islam.
 
hi,

I don’t think you have been more charitabke than him in your response. Both of you need a chill.

FYI racism is rife in Denmark. The folk parti is notorious and there has been a dead turk boy killed by a Danish gang recently.

If your country takes muslims as assylum seekers well its mostly because of mistakes that your christian worold has done to muslims. Ask yourself why palestinians are displaced or iraquis have been leaving iraq .

meedo
meedo.
you are right. my argument with rayaan is in no way up-building. He is only confirming my ill-will against Islam which I believe to be a very dangerous and oppressive ideology. Nothing here has changed that view. Neither has your nicer comments. I have nothing against you as a person but I do believe you are very wrong and that you are caught in an opressive system. For that I am deeply grieved and I pray with tears that you leave that darkness behind.

The whole Moslem world blames the West for the situation in Irac and Israel. I have lived in Israel, and whereas I feel sorry for the Palestinians I feel no less sorry for the Jews who have a very touch situation… there is a world of difference from how Jews and Palestinians see acceptable warfare… but lets not go there.
I will tell you one thing. Both in Afghanistan and Irac the Europeans leaders have made a decision to help people in the middleeast to have democracy… I think they had noble and compassinate goals, but Muslims dont WANT democracy, and our men are being wasted when they die for people who only have ingratitude left for their sacrifice.

As for the boy you say was killed in Copenhagen out of racism. See, that just proves how one-sided your news is. As soon as its a foreigner who is the victim people are fast to yell “RACISM”. The boys name was Dennis. the first time I found out he was a foreigner was when a group of pakestani boys wanted to collect money for his mom. I thought: “Okay they only show such solidarity if he is one of their own”. I was right.
But you are not right about the racism. The violence had nothing to do with his race. He was just as the wrong place at the wrong time. Random violence is growing in our society. The whole country knows this fact but you in other countries want to believe otherwise.
However, we have alot of racist assaults over the years from Moslems… they especially attack women… both their own and Danish women whom they group-rape or beat up… they also target Jews. A few years ago a Jewish professor was beaten up because he had quoted from the Quran at a secualar university. We also know from inside sources that many Moslems talk in very racistic terms about the Danish people… among others they call our women hookers and say the state is stupid for paying their own welfare.

When it comes to the “Danish folk party”, that parti is a symptom of the fact that the Danish population is beginning to see the huge problems with the immigrants from Muslim countries. I dont agree with Df in all things but they have been very right about a lot of things.
70 percent of the people in our prisons are second-generation immigrants… the majority come from Muslim countries.
I too have been threatened by some of them.
The problem with Moslems is that the always deny any fault on their side… Its always “everybody elses fault”.
 
If Western Society is so awful, it does rather make one wonder why so many Muslims decide/decided to move to the West from earthly paradises like Pakistan and the vast majority seem quite happy to stay.

I wonder if it it just that they think that life is better in the West?
:clapping:

I can’t help but wonder the same thing – if Western Society so offends the Muslim conscience, and if so many Muslims hate America so much, why the heck are there so darned many Muslims here?

IF YOU DON’T LIKE AMERICA – GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM! No one will miss you and no one is stopping you… or is it the Muslim love of the American dollar which stops you from leaving?
 
“If your country takes muslims as assylum seekers well its mostly because of mistakes that your christian worold has done to muslims. Ask yourself why palestinians are displaced or iraquis have been leaving iraq.
meedo”

This is not true. The REAL immigrants we receive are people who run from oppression in Moslem countries. The rest of them are here for the money… They have a tough time in their own countries too, but they are not suited to call themselves fugitives.
These people come BECAUSE YOUR MUSLIM COUNTRIES REFUSE TO HELP THEIR OWN MUSLIM BROTHERS.
 
:clapping:

I can’t help but wonder the same thing – if Western Society so offends the Muslim conscience, and if so many Muslims hate America so much, why the heck are there so darned many Muslims here?

IF YOU DON’T LIKE AMERICA – GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM! No one will miss you and no one is stopping you… or is it the Muslim love of the American dollar which stops you from leaving?
It does seem strange, doesn’t it? Most Muslims seem quite happy to live in the West and get on with life just like anybody else but there are some who, obviously, are terribly, terribly uncomfortable with living here but don’t seem to be making much of an effort to go and live in the Sudan or wherever.

Why the lethargy?
 
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