Despite Bishop's Objection, Seton Hall to Pursue Gay 'Marriage' Course

[Stylteralmaldo]

well if you have no problem with them entering the CC institutions, then you should not have a problem to what they are advocating for. what do you think they are going to do?

The Catholic Church does not condemn homosexual persons. Just because someone has a proclivity towards homosexualty doesn’t mean they want to push the homosexual agenda in a Catholic institution.

wisdomseeker:

why do you think they choose to be in the CC institutions? you dont think they know that is the CC that stands on their way to be what they want to be? have we not lost our discernment?

There are homosexual persons that do not want to be homosexual. We ought to be able to discern that without making a blanket condemnation to all who have same-sex attraction.

wisdomseeker:

link to human rights movements. homosexuals invading the Church institutions and human rights movements. a very convenient pair. what do you think this is going to the Church?

I don’t deny a serious problem exists in the propagation of the homosexual lifestyle inside the Church and in our culture. It is important to recognize that a segment of the homosexual community is not seeking to destroy the Church.

 

[Digitonomy]

I understand the purpose of academic freedom and the need to explore issues on a college level that are controversial. However, this Mott character is a homosexual activist that has already been disciplined for dissent in this area.

I think this is well-stated. The subject matter shouldn’t be a problem in and of itself - it’s certainly a facet of state, national, and international politics that is worthy of study.

pnewton:

If there was such a class, it would have to be taught be someone whose moral character was higher and had shown a was a faithful son of the Church.

This would depend on the mission of the college, but in most cases I don’t think it’s necessary for an instructor to be a faithful son of the Church. There are plenty of non-Catholics who teach at Catholic institutions and do a fine job, and there are many instructors whose moral character may be lacking in important ways, but who don’t let it affect their instruction. However, an instructor bringing an activist attitude to his teaching is probably not the best choice to teach political science even if his views are in line with the Church and the school, and especially if they are not.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

I think this is well-stated. The subject matter shouldn’t be a problem in and of itself - it’s certainly a facet of state, national, and international politics that is worthy of study.This would depend on the mission of the college, but in most cases I don’t think it’s necessary for an instructor to be a faithful son of the Church. There are plenty of non-Catholics who teach at Catholic institutions and do a fine job, and there are many instructors whose moral character may be lacking in important ways, but who don’t let it affect their instruction. However, an instructor bringing an activist attitude to his teaching is probably not the best choice to teach political science even if his views are in line with the Church and the school, and especially if they are not.

Exactly. The university is out of line on this one.

 

[Spirithound]

well if you have no problem with them entering the CC institutions, then you should not have a problem to what they are advocating for. what do you think they are going to do?

There is a difference between the person himself and his actions. We can love the sinner but still hate the sin.

 

[HCC]

But the bishop will just shut his mouth and do nothing about it. All talk-no action.

Money, money, money, money
MONEY!

 

[wisdomseeker]

The Catholic Church does not condemn homosexual persons. Just because someone has a proclivity towards homosexualty doesn’t mean they want to push the homosexual agenda in a Catholic institution.

There are homosexual persons that do not want to be homosexual. We ought to be able to discern that without making a blanket condemnation to all who have same-sex attraction.

I don’t deny a serious problem exists in the propagation of the homosexual lifestyle inside the Church and in our culture. It is important to recognize that a segment of the homosexual community is not seeking to destroy the Church.

And i am not talking about those who desire no such a thing. I am talking about those who seek to enter the Church to change the Church’s teaching purposedly. this is the work of the devil and it should not be take lightly.

 

[Spirithound]

But the bishop will just shut his mouth and do nothing about it. All talk-no action.

Money, money, money, money
MONEY!

But the bishop did object…

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

And i am not talking about those who desire no such a thing. I am talking about those who seek to enter the Church to change the Church’s teaching purposedly. this is the work of the devil and it should not be take lightly.

Thank you for clarifying!

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

But the bishop did object…

This is not like many other Catholic colleges/universities that are run by religious orders where the bishop is shut out of decision making. Seton Hall is a diocesan university.
Archbishop Meyers is the President of the Board of Trustees and the Board of Regents and the President of the Univeristy must always be a priest.
Now, there are obviously limits to the legal reach of the Board of Trustees (which deals mainly with property issues) and the Board of Regents (which governs the university), but let’s face it, there are other ways of exerting power/authority/influence.
The problem is probably that they haven’t replaced their previous Univeristy President.

Yet let’s not pretend that there’s nothing that can be done…

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

This is not like many other Catholic colleges/universities that are run by religious orders where the bishop is shut out of decision making. Seton Hall is a diocesan university.
Archbishop Meyers is the President of the Board of Trustees and the Board of Regents and the President of the Univeristy must always be a priest.
Now, there are obviously limits to the legal reach of the Board of Trustees (which deals mainly with property issues) and the Board of Regents (which governs the university), but let’s face it, there are other ways of exerting power/authority/influence.
The problem is probably that they haven’t replaced their previous Univeristy President.

Yet let’s not pretend that there’s nothing that can be done…

Anything that is affiliated with the Catholic Church falls under the authority of a Bishop somewhere, and if all else fails, the Pope. He is the final arbiter of all things Catholic here on earth.

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Anything that is affiliated with the Catholic Church falls under the authority of a Bishop somewhere, and if all else fails, the Pope. He is the final arbiter of all things Catholic here on earth.

Not really, colleges/universities run by religious orders are very autonomous. Sure there’s some pro forma connections but by and large if a religious order runs a college/university there’s not much the local bishop can do to it. Several local New England bishops have found that out the hard way when their local Catholic college tells them to go pound sand.
And the Pope rarely gets involved in such matters.
I don’t claim to know all the intricacies of the canonical and legal issues, but I do know that several “controlling” bishops have failed to reign in colleges/universities run by religious orders due to limits on the bishop’s authority over them.

But in this matter it is a diocesan university. The President of both the Boards of Trustees and Regents is the Archbisop and the governing body (the Regents) has several diocesan priests. I guess its tough to be “in charge” if no one listens, lol.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Not really, colleges/universities run by religious orders are very autonomous. Sure there’s some pro forma connections but by and large if a religious order runs a college/university there’s not much the local bishop can do to it. Several local New England bishops have found that out the hard way when their local Catholic college tells them to go pound sand.
And the Pope rarely gets involved in such matters.
I don’t claim to know all the intricacies of the canonical and legal issues, but I do know that several “controlling” bishops have failed to reign in colleges/universities run by religious orders due to limits on the bishop’s authority over them.

But in this matter it is a diocesan university. The President of both the Boards of Trustees and Regents is the Archbisop and the governing body (the Regents) has several diocesan priests. I guess its tough to be “in charge” if no one listens, lol.

Autonomy violates the structure of the Church. The only Catholic on the planet who doesn’t have to answer to a bishop is the Pope.