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on_the_hill
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That’s why I said “in a fundamental sense.” There May be extenuating circumstances, levels of culpability, etc. We start with the premise that the lie is a sin and work from there.
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on_the_hill
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Ok…what are Unterschmieken?
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KevinK
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You said ALWAYS and I can think of many situations where lying would be the right thing to do.
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Elf01
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Untermensch - Wikipedia
Bad spelling. The term means subhuman. I don’t believe that there is such a thing as a subhuman so I think it would be an acceptable mental reservation.
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Beryllos
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Actually it was not I but @TheLittleLady who said always, but I tend to agree.
This is arguable. In everyday life, lying is often the easy way out, but it has unintended consequences that show it to be less than the right thing to do.
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Cruciferi
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Yeah, I think it’s foolish to assume that the SS or Gestapo would be easily fooled. If they showed up at your doorstep, they probably have every intention of searching and detaining everyone.
Lying isn’t nearly as effective as people would hope.
Lying isn’t nearly as effective as people would hope.
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KevinK
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Everyone can think of many cases where lying would be the moral thing to do.
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Cruciferi
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We can go round and round the Mulberry bush on this one. Go read:
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Beryllos
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Some and perhaps most people can, but not everyone. At the moment I am having difficulty envisioning “many cases.” Sure, we can contrive situations involving a person with evil intent in which our lie might prevent the evil he intends, but how often does a criminal or terrorist ask us for our cooperation? Not very often, in my doubtlessly sheltered experience.
As I wrote earlier, such scenarios do not justify frequent little lies. We are often faced with the temptation to lie for selfish reasons, or because we can’t think of the right thing to say.
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