Detroit's Tridentine Mass

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Brendan said:
Cardinal Maida’s article seemed very postitive as well.

I was also encouraged that Fr. Ben is looking at starting up a TLM at our parish ( SS C&M). What’s kinda’ neet is that we have an ‘honest to goodness’ ordained Sub-Deacon at our parish ( a Chaldean). I wonder if he’ll be interested in assisting 🙂
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I do not think a subdeacon ordained in another Rite can assist in the Roman Church, since he would not have faculties. I posed this question to Fr. Buckley, FSSP, since I also knew a Chaldean subdeacon.

However, any priest or deacon can ordinarily assist as subdeacon. Furthermore, I think that a seminarian ordained to the minor order of instituted acolyte may extraordinarily assist.

It seems the Chaldeans tend to ordain many high school boys to assist as subdeacon, without their having an intent towards the priesthood.
 
**Devotions in honor of the Feast of **
St. Philomena

Sunday, August 12, 2007
Following the 9:30 AM Tridentine Mass

St. Josaphat Church will be having devotions in honor of the feast of St. Philomena Virgin and Martyr.
Following the closing Mass hymn, special prayers will be offered in honor of the saint. A blessing with the relic of the saint will be given by the celebrant and all will be invited to come forward to venerate the relic.

These devotions began in 2005 during the 200th anniversary of the translation of St. Philomena’s sacred relics from Rome to Mugnano del Cardinale.

These devotions are offered with the approval of our parochial administrator, Fr. Mark Borkowski and under the guidance and support of the
Universal Archconfraternity of St. Philomena.

**All are invited to come and ask the intercession of this powerful wonderworker. **
 
fxavier said:
I do not think a subdeacon ordained in another Rite can assist in the Roman Church, since he would not have faculties. I posed this question to Fr. Buckley, FSSP, since I also knew a Chaldean subdeacon.

However, any priest or deacon can ordinarily assist as subdeacon. Furthermore, I think that a seminarian ordained to the minor order of instituted acolyte may extraordinarily assist.

It seems the Chaldeans tend to ordain many high school boys to assist as subdeacon, without their having an intent towards the priesthood.
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At the Latin Mass in Toledo, a fellow ordained a subdeacon in the Orthodox Church who became Catholic regularly assists AS a subdeacon.

This fellow WOULD be allowed.

Interestingly, Deacons can assist in any rite and bishops can offer any rite, but priests need permission.
 
ASimpleSinner said:
At the Latin Mass in Toledo, a fellow ordained a subdeacon in the Orthodox Church who became Catholic regularly assists AS a subdeacon.

This fellow WOULD be allowed.
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Which Orthodox Church did he belong to? Did he continue in his tradition as a Catholic or did he become Roman?
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Interestingly, Deacons can assist in any rite and bishops can offer any rite, but priests need permission.
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Really? I didn’t know that. I thought the Pope could be flexible, but I didn’t realize Bishops could do that too.

Do you have any references?
 
fxavier said:
Which Orthodox Church did he belong to? Did he continue in his tradition as a Catholic or did he become Roman?

Really? I didn’t know that. I thought the Pope could be flexible, but I didn’t realize Bishops could do that too.

Do you have any references?
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He had been with the Serbian Orthodox… I think he opted to return to the Latin Church of his birth…

I heard it from Bishop Bruskewitz when I got to talking with him for a few minutes at a picnic some 8 or 9 years ago. When he found out I was Greek Catholic he commented that he had bi-ritual faculties when he was in Rome and had served the Ukrainian community there. I asked him if he had maintained his bi-ritual facilties and he smiled and replied “All bishops do automatically!” Which only made sense… after all, it is the bishops who grant these facilties to priests…

I cannot site a specific canon but can look into it…
 
Okay, lets not divert this thread into other discussion. Please talk only about the Tridentine Mass in the Archdiocese of Detroit or in Windsor. You may also discuss the parish cluster and St. Josaphat events and devotions. You can also discuss Tridentine Motu Proprio plans in the Archdiocese of Detroit. However, you may not discuss about any MP plans outside of Detroit and Windsor.

No debates and no negative diversions otherwise this long time thread might be closed.
 
CathMass said:
Okay, lets not divert this thread into other discussion. Please talk only about the Tridentine Mass in the Archdiocese of Detroit or in Windsor. You may also discuss the parish cluster and St. Josaphat events and devotions. You can also discuss Tridentine Motu Proprio plans in the Archdiocese of Detroit. However, you may not discuss about any MP plans outside of Detroit and Windsor.

No debates and no negative diversions otherwise this long time thread might be closed.
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Sorry.

I did not think I was debating or creating a diversion - just answering a question and a follow up.

To be more on topic I can say this - I have been to St. Josaphat’s. Being a Greek Catholic I was intrigued by the name and had to investigate it after seeing it from the highway when I was in Detroit once. I had assumed it was probably UGCC - and was suprised to find out it was a Latin parish.
 
fxavier said:
Which Orthodox Church did he belong to? Did he continue in his tradition as a Catholic or did he become Roman?

Really? I didn’t know that. I thought the Pope could be flexible, but I didn’t realize Bishops could do that too.

Do you have any references?
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It has to do with the nature of the priesthood relative to that of the Bishop.

A Bishop has the authority of the Apostles, and a priest acts in the name of the Bishop. A priest requires certain permissions to perform Sacramental tasks, including witnessing marriages and hearing confessions. As such they are bound to a bishop for their authority.

A Bishop, on the other hand, has the full authority of the Sacrament, each See is an ecclesia of it’s self. The bishop is certainly bound by obedience to the Holy See, but they require no authority from the Holy See to confect the Sacraments. As such, they may freely use any valid, promulgated liturgy in the celebration of the Sacraments.
 
Thats okay, a little question once in a while is okay, however, based on my experience with reading other threads, little things sometimes end up turning into big debates. Then the moderators close them.

For the sake of our Tridentine community we are trying to keep up this thread.
 
Are there any photos of the interior of this parish online. It has been about a decade since I saw it, I recall it being rather beautiful.

Kind of more typical Polish-influenced style as I recall…
 
**Devotions in honor of the Feast of **
St. Philomena

Sunday, August 12, 2007

**Holy Mass will be celebrated by ****The ****Most Reverend Bishop Francis Reiss, **
Devotions and veneration of the relic will follow the Recessional Hymn

Please invite family and friends to come for the Holy Mass and devotions. Perhaps this would be a nice Sunday for some you in the area to attend Tridentine Mass for the first time. All are welcome to come.
www.detroitlatinmass.org
 
Does anyone know why the St. Josaphat website is not working? The site seems to have been down for the last two days.
 
St. Josaphat will be offering a Tridentine Mass for the Feast of the Assumption, this Wednesday, August 15, at 7:00 PM. It will be a sung Missa Cantata with the usual chant accompaniment. The celebrant will be Fr. John Hedges.
 
**Feast of the Black Madonna **
Our Lady of Czestochowa
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Please come and join us for the Feast of the Black Madonna of Czestochowa.

9:05 AM - Rosary
9:30 AM - Tridentine Latin Mass celebrated by Fr. James Miara
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Exposition of the Most Blessed Sacrament following the 9:30 AM Mass
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12 Noon - Novena Devotions, Solemn Eucharistic Procession and Benediction followed by Holy Mass celebrated according to the Ordinary Rite by the Most Reverend Bishop Earl Boyea

St. Josaphat’s Website
Homepage: gbjann.com/stjosaphat/index.htm
Tridentine page: www.detroitlatinmass.org
 
It sounds like Detroit is going to have a good supply of Tridentine Masses in the future. Are there any plans for our sister parish, St. Joseph to have one?
 
Reminder that August 26 is the Feast of the Black Madonna. Please consider joing our Masses at either 9:30 AM or 12 Noon. The Rosary will be recited at 9:05 AM. There will be a exposition of the Blessed Sacrament, Novena prayers and a procession before the Noon Mass.
 
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