Detroit's Tridentine Mass

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lizaanne said:
Oh gosh, I was crying!! :o It truly was one of the most beautiful Masses I have ever seen. I’m sure I saw that altar smiling last night. 😉

I always wondered how the Tridentine Mass would work in the round architecture, even though the Church was built pre-Vatican II. But it was so lovely, and would have only been better if the original tabernacle was still on the altar (it has been moved to the adoration chapel).

And the combined choirs were truly surreal and the most beautiful I have ever heard anywhere.

So very glad I went!!

I do have a couple of criticisms, but I’ll leave those out. On the whole it was truly wonderful.

~Liza
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Yeah, I was wondering how the round architeture was gonna work as well.
It was such a surreal moment when the altar servers were hunched over prostrating in a circular pattern on the altar.

The choir was absolutely UNREAL! Like Angels!!!

Now, I am sooooo looking forward to the Romanian Byzantine Liturgy on April 1st there. 😃
Fr. Emmanuel is great!
 
It’s funny you say that, I was absolutely thinking of the angels during this Mass in a way I don’t think I ever have before. 🙂

~Liza
 
lizaanne said:
But it was so lovely, and would have only been better if the original tabernacle was still on the altar (it has been moved to the adoration chapel).
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Isn’t it in the alcove directly behind the altar anymore? The one between the gates to the Sacristy?
 
peregrinus_WA said:
Isn’t it in the alcove directly behind the altar anymore? The one between the gates to the Sacristy?
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That is the main tabernacle. There was once one actually a part of the main altar. It was removed to facilitate the NO Mass. It is now on the altar in the adoration chapel which is a totally separate building. There is 27/7 adoration of the exposed Blessed Sacrament there.

~Liza
 
lizaanne:

The Shrine history book - published several decades ago - states that the “live” tabernacle was always the one in the alcove. The tabernacle that was on the altar was decorative, and probably was used to support the central altar card. The book explains that they were following the cathedral standard of having a separate adoration chapel.

The book is interesting, because it advocates some concepts we consider modern today, but using more traditional lines of thinking. It has been republished in paperback; perhaps Shrine still has copies available.
 
lizaanne said:
That is the main tabernacle. There was once one actually a part of the main altar. It was removed to facilitate the NO Mass. It is now on the altar in the adoration chapel which is a totally separate building. There is 27/7 adoration of the exposed Blessed Sacrament there.

~Liza
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Ah. Now I understand.
 
AlexB said:
lizaanne:

The Shrine history book - published several decades ago - states that the “live” tabernacle was always the one in the alcove. The tabernacle that was on the altar was decorative, and probably was used to support the central altar card. The book explains that they were following the cathedral standard of having a separate adoration chapel.

The book is interesting, because it advocates some concepts we consider modern today, but using more traditional lines of thinking. It has been republished in paperback; perhaps Shrine still has copies available.
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I actually own an original printing of this book, I’ve had it for years. I’ll have to pull it back out and look at it again. My mom found it in an antique book seller down in North Carolina of all places, and bought it for me.

It still would have been nice to see it there on the altar. 😉

~Liza
 
This coming Sunday, June 7 at noon, a special Extraordinary Form Mass will be held at St. Albertus Church. The occasion is the completion of the second phase of restoration of their pipe organ.

St. Albertus is one of the most ornate churches in the Archdiocese, with one of the largest high altars around. Because the Polish Seminary and the Felician Sisters’ Motherhouse both used to be adjacent to St. Albertus, the sanctuary was made larger than usual to accommodate the solemn liturgies that were regularly held there. It’s quite a sight to behold.

Music will be provided by members of the choirs of Assumption Church-Windsor and St. Josaphat Church, under the direction of Wassim Sarweh.

A reception will follow Mass in the rectory.

St. Albertus is located on Canfield Ave., one half mile east of I-75, just past Sweetest Heart of Mary and over the railroad tracks.
 
AlexB said:
Carlos:

Fr. Skelton and I were talking about you. Glad to hear he reported back.

We actually have 10 EF sites, if you include our neighbor diocese. In order of when they debuted:
  1. Assumption Church, Windsor - debuted (in a different location) in 1991. Has a full professional choir every Sunday, with the occasional orchestra Mass. This is the Diocese of London, Ontario, Canada, not the Archdiocese of Detroit. Windsor is located next to Detroit, on the other side of a river.
  2. St. Josaphat, Detroit - debuted October 3, 2004. Has had a volunteer choir every Sunday since the start, with the occasional orchestra Mass. A professional choir starts September 7.
  3. Assumption Grotto, Detroit - debuted “9/14” (we all know what that means). Volunteer choir with the occasional orchestra Mass.
  4. St. Joseph, Detroit - debuted October, 2008, fourth Sunday of the month. Has a volunteer choir, with the occasional orchestra Mass.
  5. St. Stephen, New Boston - debuted shortly after 9/14. They have a single cantor every Sunday, AFAIK.
  6. St. Albertus, Detroit - debuted February, 2008. Mass is held two to four times per year, using a joint Assumption-Windsor/St. Josaphat choir.
  7. Sacred Heart, Yale - debuted June 2008, AFAIK. Tuesday Low Mass
  8. Sweetest Heart of Mary, Detroit - debuted May, 2008. Mass will be held two to four times per year, using a joint Assumption-Windsor/St. Josaphat choir
  9. Ss. Cyril & Methodius, Sterling Heights - debuted March, 2008, AFAIK. Volunteer choir every Saturday evening
  10. Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Wyandotte - debuted June, 2008. Low Mass with Hymns one Wednesday per month
The same music director heads up #s 1, 2, 6, 8, and 10, and helps out at #4. Fr. Skelton celebrated Mass at St. Josaphat, St. Joseph, and Assumption-Windsor. He is a great priest and a master of the Extraordinary Form. We wish he would visit more often.

A few more locations are in the planning stages for additional TLMs. Incidentally, Chicago as 11 TLM sites, and I believe New York has 10 now, so Detroit has some friendly competition.
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A year later, how are things going in Detroit?

Is the Saturday evening Mass in SS. Cyril and Methodius an “anticipated Sunday” Mass?
 
Carlos:

Perhaps the best way to respond is to update the earlier list:
  1. Assumption Church, Windsor - Sunday 2:00 PM Mass with professional choir.
  2. St. Josaphat, Detroit - Sunday 9:30 AM, Monday 7:00 PM, Holy Days and most First and Second Class Feasts: 7:00 PM if Mon-Fri, 9:30 AM if Sat.
  3. Assumption Grotto, Detroit - Sunday 9:30 AM, Mon-Sat 7:30 AM. Occasional orchestra Mass.
  4. St. Joseph, Detroit - Fourth Sundays at noon, except December and the month of Easter. Christmas Eve Midnight and Divine Mercy Sunday 3:00 PM orchestral Masses.
  5. St. Stephen, New Boston - Saturday 8:00 AM
  6. St. Albertus, Detroit - Quarterly Sunday Masses at noon, the next being August 30.
  7. Sacred Heart, Yale - Sunday 12:30 PM
  8. Sweetest Heart of Mary, Detroit - Two times per year for special occasions
  9. Ss. Cyril & Methodius, Sterling Heights - Saturday 6:00 PM (Sunday anticipated Mass)
  10. Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, Wyandotte - Saturday 8:00 AM (once per month, varies)
  11. St. Edward, Lakeport - First Saturday 8:00 AM. This is the only new regular Mass site.
Nuptial Masses have been held at Assumption-Windsor, St. Josaphat, St. Joseph, Assumption Grotto, and Sweetest Heart of Mary. A few parishes are open to the idea of special occasion Masses. One was held at the National Shrine of the Little Flower, and more are in the process of being planned at other churches.

The 2010 Latin Liturgy Association Convention will be held here in Detroit, partially in recognition of our significant growth in TLM sites. A lot has been accomplished, but there is so much more to do. We have many beautiful historic churches in the area that would be ideal settings for the TLM.
 
Gee! It would be great to have a NORMAL job that doesn’t require one to work weekends so that I could attend TLM on Sundays instead of attending one of our many NO Masses, 4th rate, though licit they may be! If this sounds like sour grapes, IT IS! I quit going to Mass for 30 years because the abuses made my guts writhe and attending became an occasion of sin for me for the thoughts that raced through my mind. I’m older now and to some extent, though not always, control my thoughts and concentrate on my 1961 St.Joseph’s missal,and, of course, Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist!
It seems that soooo many of the parishes around here are still stuck in the “felt dove on burlap” phase of the 1970’s. I could just cry for the seeming disrespect that this liturgy with the weak and wimpy “liturgical music” of the OCP hymnals(?) that we offer to Our Dear Lord and Savior. Why Archdiocesan politics has to keep one such as I and others like me out in the wilderness of the NO steppes is, to me, the height of contempt by our leadership. So o.k., they through us a bone now and then in a few widely spaced and poorly timed EF Masses and expect us to be happy little children. Well, I cannot attend the form that really makes me feel closer to Our Lord and I AM NOT HAPPY about it!:mad:
So I now realize I was just hurting myself by staying away from the Holy Eucharist, and I attend, depending on my work schedule, either a Vigil or an early Sunday morning NO Mass, and pray for the local hierarchy and the day when I may be able to Attend a Daily early morning EF Mass, here in the Livonia area.:gopray:
 
John_Grudzien said:
Gee! It would be great to have a NORMAL job that doesn’t require one to work weekends so that I could attend TLM on Sundays instead of attending one of our many NO Masses, 4th rate, though licit they may be!
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If you can’t make a Sunday EF Mass, our parish ( SS Cyril and Methodius) has a vigil Mass at 6:00pm on Saturday.

The parish is at 18 Mile (Long Lake) and Ryan in Sterling Heights.
 
And one other ‘plug’

In the last two years, we have had 3 men from SS Cyril and Methodius ordained to the priesthood. Each one of them has taken it upon themselves to learn and celebrate the EF Mass.

So more and more trained priests are becoming available 🙂
 
Brendan said:
And one other ‘plug’

In the last two years, we have had 3 men from SS Cyril and Methodius ordained to the priesthood. Each one of them has taken it upon themselves to learn and celebrate the EF Mass.

So more and more trained priests are becoming available 🙂
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We had one ordained from the Grotto and his first Mass was the 9:30 EF Sunday Mass. I am hoping Fr. Ricardo will allow him to celebrate it at Our Lady where he is stationed.
 
Thanks for taking the time to let me know about SS Cyril and Methodius Parish…I did know about it, but again it’s a matter of timing. I can barely make it to my parish (St. Michael the Archangel) in Livonia in time for our 5 p.m. NO Vigil Mass. If you’re at all familiar with Metro Detroit, you “can’t get there from here” in a direct and timely journey. If I lived where my brother lives in the 13 mile and Schoenherr area, I’d have no problem. The next closest to me is in New Boston, and that’s out because it’s during Sunday Afternoon, and unfortunately I’m working at that time.
In the meantime I’ll keep praying for the day when I’ll be able to attend a DAILY EF Mass.
J.G.👍
 
This Sunday, November 15 at noon, St. Albertus Church will hold a Tridentine Mass. Music for the Mass will be supplied by members of the Archdiocesan Chorus from Blessed Sacrament Cathedral, under the direction of Cathedral Organist Dr. Steven Ball. The Mass setting will be the Mass in Honor of Ss. Peter & Paul by Rene Louis Becker, the first Music Director of the cathedral.

This will mark the first time that members of this well-known choir will sing at an Extraordinary Form Mass, clearly a promising development.

Also, in two weeks, on Sunday, November 29, His Excellency Archbishop Allen Vigneron will confer the Sacrament of Confirmation according to the Extraordinary Form at St. Josaphat Church, immediately following the 9:30 AM Tridentine Mass. All are invited to attend this first time in decades that a sitting Archbishop of Detroit will publicly celebrate the classic form of a Sacrament.
 
Archbishop Allen Vigneron celebrated the Sacrament of Confirmation according to the Extraordinary Form today.

This was indeed something truly historic. For the first time in more than 40 years, the current Archbishop of Detroit celebrated Confirmations according to the Tridentine form.

We have posted some photos of the event on the St. Josaphat blog:stjosaphat.wordpress.com/.

The photos will be presented in as a series. Post 1 is now up on the blog.

You are invited to share your comments about the event either here or on the blog.
 
I have been so busy with work and getting ready for Thanksgiving that I had not heard this! How wonderful for St. Josephat!!

~Liza
 
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