Developing Dogmas and Doctrines

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What new dogmas or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that was not laid out first in the Bible?

A Sacred Tradition that was passed down through just the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles, something that must be believe for our salvation.

Example, developed Mary Dogmas - we know absolutely from the Bible that she was a virgin when she concieved Jesus. What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately, remained forever a virgin and was assumed to heaven.

Then is this belief really required for our salvation?
 
schaick said:
What new dogmas or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that was not laid out first in the Bible?

A Sacred Tradition that was passed down through just the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles, something that must be believe for our salvation.

Example, developed Mary Dogmas - we know absolutely from the Bible that she was a virgin when she concieved Jesus. What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately, remained forever a virgin and was assumed to heaven.

Then is this belief really required for our salvation?
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All the dogmas and teachings about Jesus in the New Testament were first Church teaching, then scripture.

Jesus started a Church which proceeded to protect and proclaim his gospel. The Church existed before scripture.

I can’t think of any teachings about Jesus that are not in scripture, however.
 
schaick said:
A Sacred Tradition that was passed down through just the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles, something that must be believe for our salvation.
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Uhm, the Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded. She’s almost 2,000 years old. Churches that split from her, are called denomiations.

"What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately…"

Take time away from here and read the Gospel of Luke.

**"…remained forever a virgin…" **

The Hebrew language has only one tense to define brother. Brother can mean brother, cousin, nephew, etc.,. Again, read Luke. Mary (althou betrothed to Joseph) asks Gabriel how she can become pregnant when she is a virgin. Apparently a consecrated virgin.

"and was assumed to heaven."

This was an ancient belief concerning Mary. Jews collected and honored the bones of their dead, placing them into ossuaries. Mary’s bones were never found and from that it was a common belief that that her body was assumed into heaven.

This became doctrine and was backed up by papal infallibility.

"Then is this belief really required for our salvation?"

If you wish to be a Catholic, you need to keep an open mind to the possiblity vs. a cold closed deviant attitude toward that doctrine.
 
schaick said:
What new dogmas or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that was not laid out first in the Bible?

A Sacred Tradition that was passed down through just the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles, something that must be believe for our salvation.

Example, developed Mary Dogmas - we know absolutely from the Bible that she was a virgin when she concieved Jesus. What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately, remained forever a virgin and was assumed to heaven.

Then is this belief really required for our salvation?
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most doctrines have extra biblical aspects that arent explicitly found in the Scriptures that developed within the church over time. This doesnt equate with new doctrine being created out of nothing by the Church with no historical or scriptural connection like many uninformed Protestants claim.
 
Barbkw said:
Uhm, the Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded. She’s almost 2,000 years old. Churches that split from her, are called denomiations.

"What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately…"

Take time away from here and read the Gospel of Luke.

**"…remained forever a virgin…" **

The Hebrew language has only one tense to define brother. Brother can mean brother, cousin, nephew, etc.,. Again, read Luke. Mary (althou betrothed to Joseph) asks Gabriel how she can become pregnant when she is a virgin. Apparently a consecrated virgin.

"and was assumed to heaven."

This was an ancient belief concerning Mary. Jews collected and honored the bones of their dead, placing them into ossuaries. Mary’s bones were never found and from that it was a common belief that that her body was assumed into heaven.

This became doctrine and was backed up by papal infallibility.

"Then is this belief really required for our salvation?"

If you wish to be a Catholic, you need to keep an open mind to the possiblity vs. a cold closed deviant attitude toward that doctrine.
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LOL!! I have studied Luke. No where in Scripture does it mention that Mary remained forever virgin or was immaculately concieved.

Check out the use of the word virgin:
blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3933&t=KJV

So Mary Dogmas are a good example of a developed doctrine or dogma.

Are these beliefs developed at a later date required for our salvation?

What I would really like to know is if there are any that have developed about Jesus?

I really don’t think there has been.
 
Schaick,

Think about it…The Church was just beginning…our tradition holds Mary was an advisor to the apostles and the early church.

She was first and foremost a lady. And I do not think it was tactful…speaking through human respect…but openly talk about whether Mary was still a virgin or not…of course, they will not be discussing whether or not she was having sex.

Furthermore, Scripture says after the Resurrection and Pentecost, the wives of the Apostles continued to accompany them but no longer as wives but as sisters…I would think Pentecost, and the power overcoming death by Christ’s death and resurrection would elevate and inspire the Lord’s companions to spread the Good News and endure all sorts of persecution.

Jesus was held as True Man and True God, but over time, people lost faith in Him as human, and the Council of Nicea established and finally defined Christ as True Man and True God…doctrines come about when believers begin to fall into heretical thinking…it is not some plot to create a new religion.
 
Christians in times past did believe in Mary’s perpetual virginity.

I wonder how our contraceptive culture has made it that much more difficult to believe someone can be virgin or celibate for Christ and His kingdom.
 
-I think Catholics believe that Mary remained a virgin forever.

-I think some Protestant faiths believe that after the birth of Jesus, she didn’t always remain a virgin.

-I think Both Catholics and Protestants believe that she is the Mother of God. That’s a pretty big deal, so that’s a great place to meet isn’t it? That’s how it seems to an outsider.

-Regarding what is required for salvation, as a non-Christian, my understanding is that it is to follow Jesus’ commandment. Arguing about His mother seems to be a divergent path from that commandment.

Out of curiosity, I went to see that move “The Passion of the Christ” back when it came out. The whole time I couldn’t stop thinking about His Mother having to watch what happened to Him. That was hard to take. For that, I don’t think you could give Her a high enough title. I know I won’t be able to convince anyone not to argue over it, but I don’t think that a discussion about such a thing properly honors the memory of the sacrifices that either of them made. They were just above that sort of thing, so maybe we should try to be too.

if I am totally off base, then I guess you could chalk it up to my non-Christian understanding and give me a pass on it.

Respectfully,
Your friend
Sufjon
 
Sufjon,

That is an astute observation of people not arguing about Mary…about her personal life, as well, I think, in the early years of the Church.

People think the early church was really the true and original church when in fact it was primitive…

so much in the process of becoming…so many regions, and the constant work to keep us in communion.
 
=Sufjon;7117787]–I think Both Catholics and Protestants believe that she is the Mother of God. That’s a pretty big deal, so that’s a great place to meet isn’t it? That’s how it seems to an outsider.
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There are some protestants who reject the title, Mother of God. They prefer Mother of Christ.
Out of curiosity, I went to see that move “The Passion of the Christ” back when it came out. The whole time I couldn’t stop thinking about His Mother having to watch what happened to Him. That was hard to take. For that, I don’t think you could give Her a high enough title. I know I won’t be able to convince anyone not to argue over it, but I don’t think that a discussion about such a thing properly honors the memory of the sacrifices that either of them made. They were just above that sort of thing, so maybe we should try to be too.
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👍

Thank you,
Jon
 
KathleenGee said:
Sufjon,

That is an astute observation of people not arguing about Mary…about her personal life, as well, I think, in the early years of the Church.

People think the early church was really the true and original church when in fact it was primitive…

so much in the process of becoming…so many regions, and the constant work to keep us in communion.
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Hi Kathleen Gee: Sorry I couldn’t answer you sooner. I had trouble getting on to the server for the past 24 hrs. I thought I must have been kicked out for something. Anyway, thanks. 🙂

Your friend
Sufjon
 
schaick said:
What new dogmas or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that was not laid out first in the Bible?

A Sacred Tradition that was passed down through just the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles, something that must be believe for our salvation.

Example, developed Mary Dogmas - we know absolutely from the Bible that she was a virgin when she concieved Jesus. What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately, remained forever a virgin and was assumed to heaven.

Then is this belief really required for our salvation?
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The main issue I think that you are having is a misunderstanding of the role of Sacred Scripture. The primary teaching authority is the Church not the Bible. The Bible is a tool used by the Church in its teaching capacity. The Bible is part of Sacred Tradition and not the sum of Sacred Tradition.

Fact of the matter is that to read the Bible properly you must have a solid foundation in Sacred Tradition. If not, it is practically guaranteed you will misinterpret some of its teachings.
 
Sufjon said:
-I think Catholics believe that Mary remained a virgin forever.

-I think some Protestant faiths believe that after the birth of Jesus, she didn’t always remain a virgin.

-I think Both Catholics and Protestants believe that she is the Mother of God. That’s a pretty big deal, so that’s a great place to meet isn’t it? That’s how it seems to an outsider.

-Regarding what is required for salvation, as a non-Christian, my understanding is that it is to follow Jesus’ commandment. Arguing about His mother seems to be a divergent path from that commandment.

Out of curiosity, I went to see that move “The Passion of the Christ” back when it came out. The whole time I couldn’t stop thinking about His Mother having to watch what happened to Him. That was hard to take. For that, I don’t think you could give Her a high enough title. I know I won’t be able to convince anyone not to argue over it, but I don’t think that a discussion about such a thing properly honors the memory of the sacrifices that either of them made. They were just above that sort of thing, so maybe we should try to be too.

if I am totally off base, then I guess you could chalk it up to my non-Christian understanding and give me a pass on it.

Respectfully,
Your friend
Sufjon
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👍

Quite remarkable for a non-Christian.
 
schaick said:
What new dogmas or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that was not laid out first in the Bible?

A Sacred Tradition that was passed down through just the Catholic Church from the time of the Apostles, something that must be believe for our salvation.

Example, developed Mary Dogmas - we know absolutely from the Bible that she was a virgin when she concieved Jesus. What developed later and not in the Bible is that she was concieved immaculately, remained forever a virgin and was assumed to heaven.

Then is this belief really required for our salvation?
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Have we ever thought that Protestants have been developing new dogmas and doctrines? For they do.
 
Yes, I have heard alot of their doctrines and dogmas…and can see how it has facilitated so much fracturing of communion that even history is disputed…
 
LOL! People this is not a thread about Mary Dogmas that was just** an example **of a developed dogma.

Except to ask:
Is belief in the developed doctrine or dogma required for our salvation?

This is **also not **a thread about whether the Catholic Church or Scripture has final authority over dogmas and doctrines.

What I want to know is:

**What new dogmas **or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that were not laid out first in the Bible?

I can’t think of any and am curious about it.
 
schaick said:
LOL! People this is not a thread about Mary Dogmas that was just** an example **of a developed dogma.

Except to ask:
Is belief in the developed doctrine or dogma required for our salvation?

This is **also not **a thread about whether the Catholic Church or Scripture has final authority over dogmas and doctrines.

What I want to know is:

**What new dogmas **or doctrines have been developed about Jesus that were not laid out first in the Bible?

I can’t think of any and am curious about it.
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Transubstantiation
 
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