Diabolical Disorentation

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The following was written by a member of the clergy…

**'No issue brings out so much hatred from so many Catholics as homosexuality. Even after over 25 years as a Jesuit, the level of hatred around homosexuality is nearly unbelievable to me, especially when I think of all of the wonderful LGBT friends I have.

The Catholic church must do a much better job of teaching what the Catechism says: that we should treat our LGBT brothers and sisters with “respect, sensitivity and compassion.”

But God wants more. God wants us to love. And not a twisted, crabbed, narrow tolerance, which often comes in the guise of condemnations, instructions and admonitions that try to masquerade as love, but actual love.

Love means: getting to know LGBT men and women, spending time with them, listening to them, being challenged by them, hoping the best for them, and wanting them to be a part of your lives, every bit as much as straight friends are part of your lives.

Love first. Everything else later. In fact, everything else is meaningless without love.’**

I consider this to be what Our Lady Of Fatima referred to as Diabolical Disorentation.
What do you think?
 
Petersmate said:
The following was written by a member of the clergy…

**'No issue brings out so much hatred from so many Catholics as homosexuality. Even after over 25 years as a Jesuit, the level of hatred around homosexuality is nearly unbelievable to me, especially when I think of all of the wonderful LGBT friends I have.

The Catholic church must do a much better job of teaching what the Catechism says: that we should treat our LGBT brothers and sisters with “respect, sensitivity and compassion.”

But God wants more. God wants us to love. And not a twisted, crabbed, narrow tolerance, which often comes in the guise of condemnations, instructions and admonitions that try to masquerade as love, but actual love.

Love means: getting to know LGBT men and women, spending time with them, listening to them, being challenged by them, hoping the best for them, and wanting them to be a part of your lives, every bit as much as straight friends are part of your lives.

Love first. Everything else later. In fact, everything else is meaningless without love.’**

I consider this to be what Our Lady Of Fatima referred to as Diabolical Disorentation.
What do you think?
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I think love is more than just accepting a disordered lifestyle.
I know plenty of people who identify as gay or bisexual.When my youngest kids were in highschool they said it was almost a fad.

Where I work there are a few couple and they are very nice discreet people.I would never think to ask what they do in private.Of course sexual talk in the workplace is very inappropriate anyway.

We must love everyone,even our enemies,though I do not see homosexuals as the enemy just a product of a confused society that has given itself totally to hedonistic pleasure.

There is a lovely elderly female couple at our church.They are not lesbians but very close friends who have been together for many years.I think society could take a lesson from them in that real enduring love does not have to involve sexual intimacy.
 
No----The way to prevent satan from entering the church is by having your main focus on God who is all love and praying the rosary and worship. These are powerful spiritual tools also spoken about at Fatima-----we open the doors to the enemy when we derail from this, and satan is given a foothold.

If given a chance satan expands the’ hate the sin’ —to— ’ hate the sinner’ in an unsuspecting person.it takes the focus away from God and it creates another sinner.

By spending time with earthly battles on the same turf, we are at a disadvantage. Love will conquer this. Makes no sense to some, but Jesus teaches us this.

I think that’s what the Jesuit clergy is talking about.
 
mommy_k said:
No----The way to prevent satan from entering the church is by having your main focus on God who is all love and praying the rosary and worship. These are powerful spiritual tools also spoken about at Fatima-----we open the doors to the enemy when we derail from this, and satan is given a foothold.

If given a chance satan expands the’ hate the sin’ —to— ’ hate the sinner’ in an unsuspecting person.it takes the focus away from God and it creates another sinner.

By spending time with earthly battles on the same turf, we are at a disadvantage. Love will conquer this. Makes no sense to some, but Jesus teaches us this.

I think that’s what the Jesuit clergy is talking about.
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personally I find it very offensive for this member of the clergy to call Catholics hateful.He himself is being judgmental and showing lack of charity in a disturbing and profound way.He gives no instances or examples of this alleged hatred just makes a blanket assumption.

I personally do not know ONE Catholic who shows hatred or contempt for homosexual oriented persons. Yes it is very easy for the hate the sin mentality to spill over to the person but I have yet to see it.
 
Wanna see hateful Catholics? Just start a thread about how you think married Catholics should be allowed to use artificial birth control!

You’ll see them, all right!
 
PolarGuy said:
Wanna see hateful Catholics? Just start a thread about how you think married Catholics should be allowed to use artificial birth control!

You’ll see them, all right!
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Really? Should I do a random search of threads on the topic and see for myself? Is it a banned topic?
 
Petersmate said:
The following was written by a member of the clergy…

**'No issue brings out so much hatred from so many Catholics as homosexuality. Even after over 25 years as a Jesuit, the level of hatred around homosexuality is nearly unbelievable to me, especially when I think of all of the wonderful LGBT friends I have.

The Catholic church must do a much better job of teaching what the Catechism says: that we should treat our LGBT brothers and sisters with “respect, sensitivity and compassion.”

But God wants more. God wants us to love. And not a twisted, crabbed, narrow tolerance, which often comes in the guise of condemnations, instructions and admonitions that try to masquerade as love, but actual love.

Love means: getting to know LGBT men and women, spending time with them, listening to them, being challenged by them, hoping the best for them, and wanting them to be a part of your lives, every bit as much as straight friends are part of your lives.

Love first. Everything else later. In fact, everything else is meaningless without love.’**

I consider this to be what Our Lady Of Fatima referred to as Diabolical Disorentation.
What do you think?
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A priest has written it but it really doesn’t feel very priestworthy in its essence. It’s more like a personal rant than a reflection of the Church’s direction.

I’m actually hanging out for what comes out of the synod as far as how we are to relate to homosexual people in the most Christian way possible. I think that it’s easy to treat everyone with complete charity when it doesn’t involve actual homosexual behaviour… but I’ve always experienced complete revulsion at seeing a gay couple kiss and show sexual affection. I’m wondering what to do with this reaction. Is that a Christian reaction? I’m needing real guidance from the Church regarding how I should address that it. It changes my feelings towards a gay person when I witness that behaviour.

So that is why I don’t warm to the words of this Priest. Is he calling that reaction ‘hatred’?
 
cjforJesus said:
personally I find it very offensive for this member of the clergy to call Catholics hateful.He himself is being judgmental and showing lack of charity in a disturbing and profound way.He gives no instances or examples of this alleged hatred just makes a blanket assumption.

I personally do not know ONE Catholic who shows hatred or contempt for homosexual oriented persons. Yes it is very easy for the hate the sin mentality to spill over to the person but I have yet to see it.
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The Catholic religion is based on loving one another. But the question was about diabolical disorientation, and satan can work both ways to enter the church-- we must be vigilant.

It’s wonderful that you don’t know any Catholic’s that hate homosexuals but— perception is reality for some, just turn on the news and there it is. That is why this is a spiritual battle and the incorrect perceptions must be replaced.
 
I think if everybody went back to modesty of mind (as distinct from clothing) and kept **all ** sexual behavior out of sight, there would be no issue. Sexuality should not be a matter for public perception.

IMNAAHO

ICXC NIKA.
 
MaryT777 said:
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I think the thing that qualifies here is love the sinner hate the sin. I think in all this there is a evil in the works in the sense that sentimentalism is being used to excuse bad behavior. The mentality today is if it feels good do regardless of how others feel and if others don’t agree with you they are racist, homophobic or what have you. The media screams that people should love whom they choose regardless of who or what it is or whom it hurts …that’s true and they used that argument to excuse everything. From the Thug who was shot after he robbed a store and tried to kill a police officer to his Thug friend who lied and was a proven admitted liar …who encited riots. Anyone who disagrees with the liberal or media outlook is censored and his business or livelyhood and freedom of speach is taken away. Do I see the devil at work her yes. Where is the concern over the hundreds of women and children killed by ISSIS or the concern of the blatant disregard that other countries have for us. Yep I see the devil behind the scenes in some of this at least. :eek:👍
 
cjforJesus said:
personally I find it very offensive for this member of the clergy to call Catholics hateful.He himself is being judgmental and showing lack of charity in a disturbing and profound way.He gives no instances or examples of this alleged hatred just makes a blanket assumption.

I personally do not know ONE Catholic who shows hatred or contempt for homosexual oriented persons. Yes it is very easy for the hate the sin mentality to spill over to the person but I have yet to see it.
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I don’t believe the clergy member said Catholics are hateful. Rather he reminded us that we are to love as Jesus loves: unconditionally and without reservation. 🙂
 
LongingSoul said:
A priest has written it but it really doesn’t feel very priestworthy in its essence. It’s more like a personal rant than a reflection of the Church’s direction.

I’m actually hanging out for what comes out of the synod as far as how we are to relate to homosexual people in the most Christian way possible. I think that it’s easy to treat everyone with complete charity when it doesn’t involve actual homosexual behaviour… but I’ve always experienced complete revulsion at seeing a gay couple kiss and show sexual affection. I’m wondering what to do with this reaction. Is that a Christian reaction? I’m needing real guidance from the Church regarding how I should address that it. It changes my feelings towards a gay person when I witness that behaviour.

So that is why I don’t warm to the words of this Priest. Is he calling that reaction ‘hatred’?
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Humans are repulsed by various norms and the intensity of the reactions are as varied as the individuals. Cannibalism, murder, rape, pedophila, etc. all evoke some form of negative response. Some in our society have focused the “homosexual issue” on the practice of their sexuality using the guise of equality. When the sexual act is the center of defining the person or persons, there’s usually a disorder involved. To address your reaction, it is YOUR reaction. Some share it and others do not but I don’t believe you can repress your reaction, nor should you, because it may “offend” someone. We are humans and God designed us with emotions as well as intellect and spirit. Using all three of God’s gifts, we can better discern His Will. Denying His gifts usually leads us to error. God bless you. 👍
 
808Catholic said:
I don’t believe the clergy member said Catholics are hateful. Rather he reminded us that we are to love as Jesus loves: unconditionally and without reservation. 🙂
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“No issue brings out so much HATRED from so many Catholics as homosexuality. Even after over 25 years as a Jesuit, the level of hatred around homosexuality is nearly unbelievable to me, especially when I think of all of the wonderful LGBT friend”

Sounds like he is being judgmental himself in claiming he sees many Catholics exhibiting what he perceives as hatred when he gives absolutely no instances.

Jesus loved unconditionally but he also admonished sinners.It is an act of mercy.
I do not think this clergyman understands that homosexual ACTS are what most Catholics find repulsive.The catechism says that under no circumstances can they be condoned… It is not hatred to be repulsed by sodomy.This is one of the ways AIDS spread so rapidly.
 
cjforJesus said:
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“No issue brings out so much HATRED from so many Catholics as homosexuality. Even after over 25 years as a Jesuit, the level of hatred around homosexuality is nearly unbelievable to me, especially when I think of all of the wonderful LGBT friend”

Sounds like he is being judgmental himself in claiming he sees many Catholics exhibiting what he perceives as hatred when he gives absolutely no instances.

Jesus loved unconditionally but he also admonished sinners.It is an act of mercy.
I do not think this clergyman understands that homosexual ACTS are what most Catholics find repulsive.The catechism says that under no circumstances can they be condoned… It is not hatred to be repulsed by sodomy.This is one of the ways AIDS spread so rapidly.
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@cjforJesus
You and I differ in how we interpret the quote. Peace be with you.
 
cjforJesus said:
I personally do not know ONE Catholic who shows hatred or contempt for homosexual oriented persons. Yes it is very easy for the hate the sin mentality to spill over to the person but I have yet to see it.
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I’d love to attend your parish, then. My experience hasn’t been the same.

In general response to this thread, I think it’s never out of line to call people to be more loving and compassionate. Even if you object to his wording, the message is right.
 
I often need to remind myself when in my judgmental mode “God loves them just as much as he loves me” No matter what they do in public or private, they are still God’s children.

SSA is a disorder. Can you imagine what it would be like if WE were labeled with our disorders/weaknesses/sins…"Oh, she’s one of those gossipers, he’s one of those porno addicts, she’s one of those depression people. We all have issues and we are all sinners. But do we want to be labeled as such?🤷

Aside from some hyperbole, I think the priest was teaching God’s commandments of love. We need to follow God’s law.

God Bless You.
 
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