Did a mass really happen?

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Recently, I went on vacation and went to mass at a few other churches. I was surprised at one of the masses I went to and I want to find out if what happened is normal.
First during the entry procession, the priest was waving to people and actually stopped to chat and shake hands with more than one person. Secondly, the priest kept commenting on the mass or dubing over the prayers with his version for example when we prayed “Blessed is He who comes it the name of the Lord”, he dubbed over that with “Blessed are THEY…” Also, during the liturgy of the Holy Eucharist, he stopped everything to converse with a couple in the choir about their wedding anniversary. In fact he kept having little chats with people during the whole mass. Also, during the communion procession, as people came to recieve, He was patting people on the back and having mini chats with them. It was very distracting, I’m not sure a consecration even happened. After he stopped talking to the couple in the choir, he just reached down and picked up the host and said “Oh and this this is Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world”. Like it was an after thought. :confused:
 
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Recently, I went on vacation and went to mass at a few other churches. I was surprised at one of the masses I went to and I want to find out if what happened is normal.
First during the entry procession, the priest was waving to people and actually stopped to chat and shake hands with more than one person. Secondly, the priest kept commenting on the mass or dubing over the prayers with his version for example when we prayed “Blessed is He who comes it the name of the Lord”, he dubbed over that with “Blessed are THEY…” Also, during the liturgy of the Holy Eucharist, he stopped everything to converse with a couple in the choir about their wedding anniversary. In fact he kept having little chats with people during the whole mass. Also, during the communion procession, as people came to recieve, He was patting people on the back and having mini chats with them. It was very distracting, I’m not sure a consecration even happened. After he stopped talking to the couple in the choir, he just reached down and picked up the host and said “Oh and this this is Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world”. Like it was an after thought. :confused:
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Hmm…sounds like my parish. Yes, it’s very distracting.

As long as there was a valid consecration there was a Mass. This was at the very least an abuse-filled illicit Mass.
 
While you can take comfort in knowing that the Consecration was valid, what you described was very sad.
The priest sounded very distracted, and distracting.

Priests need our prayers, and Bishops need to correct them!
 
My friend told me about her priest text messaging while waiting for the altar servers to set up communion!

I was floored!
 
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Recently, I went on vacation and went to mass at a few other churches. I was surprised at one of the masses I went to and I want to find out if what happened is normal.
First during the entry procession, the priest was waving to people and actually stopped to chat and shake hands with more than one person. Secondly, the priest kept commenting on the mass or dubing over the prayers with his version for example when we prayed “Blessed is He who comes it the name of the Lord”, he dubbed over that with “Blessed are THEY…” Also, during the liturgy of the Holy Eucharist, he stopped everything to converse with a couple in the choir about their wedding anniversary. In fact he kept having little chats with people during the whole mass. Also, during the communion procession, as people came to recieve, He was patting people on the back and having mini chats with them. It was very distracting, I’m not sure a consecration even happened. After he stopped talking to the couple in the choir, he just reached down and picked up the host and said “Oh and this this is Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world”. Like it was an after thought. :confused:
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Isn’t “Blessed is HE who comes in the name of the Lord” referring to Jesus? I thought someone told me that it was. If that’s the case “THEY” is a mistake. I am a woman and I HATE it when someone does that, leave the language alone.
 
What I am hearing is very sad. I am very blessed to have a very reverant priest who defiately prays the mass.

First of all bring your concerns to your priest.

If that does no good, then bring your concern to your bishop.

I am sure you are not the only person who is upset with what is going on.

Lord, please convict these priest to become holy, and to pray the mass as it was intended. Blessed Mother, please bring these concerns to the feet of Jesus. Amen.
 
I would write a letter to the Bishop for that parish. Especially as a visitor, you don’t have an ax to grind, just the observation of an outsider. This priest requires serious counseling to understand that the Mass is not about him.

It is about Him.

~Liza
 
When I read this, I cried. The things our Lord has to suffer through. Please correct it. Do what you can to alert the authorities about these errors that kill the faith… not only of those there but many others who come to hear of it. Please correct and let us all pray for the priest.
 
ncquiltmom said:
Recently, I went on vacation and went to mass at a few other churches. I was surprised at one of the masses I went to and I want to find out if what happened is normal.
First during the entry procession, the priest was waving to people and actually stopped to chat and shake hands with more than one person. Secondly, the priest kept commenting on the mass or dubing over the prayers with his version for example when we prayed “Blessed is He who comes it the name of the Lord”, he dubbed over that with “Blessed are THEY…” Also, during the liturgy of the Holy Eucharist, he stopped everything to converse with a couple in the choir about their wedding anniversary. In fact he kept having little chats with people during the whole mass. Also, during the communion procession, as people came to recieve, He was patting people on the back and having mini chats with them. It was very distracting, I’m not sure a consecration even happened. After he stopped talking to the couple in the choir, he just reached down and picked up the host and said “Oh and this this is Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world”. Like it was an after thought. :confused:
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There are three criteria for a Sacrament to be valid (I assume by your question, you actually are asking whether the Eucharist was present, not whether Mass occured or not).

Form: In this case, the form is “this is my body” and “this is my blood”. That’s all that a priest has to say in order for the host to be consecrated. The form is different in the Orthodox Church, where it is the Epiclesis and not what we Catholics call the ‘words of consecration’.

Matter: Bread and wine (I won’t get into the specifics of what kind of bread and what kind of wine, etc.)

Disposition: It must be a validly ordained priest. The priest must intend to do as the Church does (whether he actually believes what the Church believes, or even knows what that is, or not! It doesn’t matter). Lastly under disposition, the priest must intend to consecrate that bread. What I mean is that there can be a piece of bread, with the same specifications of matter, but it not be consecrated because the priest is not intending to consecrate it (so, maybe, at an explanatory Mass the priest doesn’t actually consecrate the Host because wants to say the words, but doesn’t want to consecrate it because it wouldn’t be appropriate at the moment).

However, we must remember Ecclesia supplet (the Church supplies): if a priest accidentaly forgets some of the words of the ritual or changes them, the Church recognizes the good faith of those gathered and their right to valid sacraments, and so provides sacramental validity in the case of a human error or priestly malpractice.

Furthermore, G-d provides. We are bound by the Sacraments, but not G-d.
 
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