Did Adam & Eve died twice

[DonHudzinski]

Death is to lose a nature and to be exiled because of the loss. GOD said as soon as you eat of the fruit in the middle of the garden you shall surly die. This means that original sin did cause the death to Adam and Eve for they were exiled from Eden and they lost their divine nature, that is the nature which allowed them access to the culture of marriage and the kingdom of Eden.
Marriage is thus not just a relationship between a man and woman but a culture established by God in the garden of Eden. A culture which dialogues with God known as our divine nature.
They died again when they lost their human nature and we’re exiled from the kingdoms of the world.

 

[Ron_Conte]

Death is to lose a nature and to be exiled because of the loss. GOD said as soon as you eat of the fruit in the middle of the garden you shall surly die. This means that original sin did cause the death to Adam and Eve for they were exiled from Eden and they lost their divine nature, that is the nature which allowed them access to the culture of marriage and the kingdom of Eden.
Marriage is thus not just a relationship between a man and woman but a culture established by God in the garden of Eden. A culture which dialogues with God known as our divine nature.
They died again when they lost their human nature and we’re exiled from the kingdoms of the world.

That’s not at all what the Church teaches.

Death is the separation of body and soul. Adam and Eve committed mortal sin (a spiritual type of death) thereby losing the state of grace. They only each died once, on earth, long after their first sin. They never had “divine nature”; they had the state of original innocence, including the state of grace.

 

[Mordocai]

That’s not at all what the Church teaches.

Death is the separation of body and soul. Adam and Eve committed mortal sin (a spiritual type of death) thereby losing the state of grace. They only each died once, on earth, long after their first sin. They never had “divine nature”; they had the state of original innocence, including the state of grace.

Right, the consistent teaching of Christianity would be that death (physically speaking) means the separation of the soul from the body. Today we can speak about the physiological failure of body systems thus leading to an end to continued biological life which, when that happens, the soul leaves the body (since it is the human soul which animates the body.)

So Adam and Eve died spiritually (the grace of God exited their soul through their own expulsion of it) when they sinned but later died physically.

Mordecai

 

[DonHudzinski]

That’s not at all what the Church teaches.

Death is the separation of body and soul. Adam and Eve committed mortal sin (a spiritual type of death) thereby losing the state of grace. They only each died once, on earth, long after their first sin. They never had “divine nature”; they had the state of original innocence, including the state of grace.

Is this not a denial of Christ divinity? The church teaches Christ is the new Adam. Does not this imply Adam like Christ had a divine nature like Christ but lost that nature through death.

 

[Wesrock]

Adam was not divine by nature, though perhaps he was divinized by God’s grace? He was created to share in God’s divinity. Christ was the new Adam in that he was still fully man with a “normal” (as opposed to our disordered) nature, but we can’t reverse that and say that Adam possessed Christ’s divinity by being fully God by nature.

I would still call mortal sin a spiritual death, though. But I would not say man had two natures in the way Christ did.

 

[Ron_Conte]

Is this not a denial of Christ divinity? The church teaches Christ is the new Adam. Does not this imply Adam like Christ had a divine nature like Christ but lost that nature through death.

Christ is God incarnate. Adam was merely human. The claim that Adam had a divine nature is heretical.

Adam and Eve were created in a state of original innocence: no original sin, no concupiscence, and they had the state of grace from the start of their creation. But then they sinned and fell from grace, committing what we call original sin. Neither Adam nor Eve had a Divine Nature.