Did Allah said to Mohammad:"I am Allah Worship me" ?

[Nine_Two]

Again, that’s really no different than the Muslim debate tactic of demanding for a text where Jesus says, “I am God.” It is simply illogical, and I don’t see the merit in demanding a Muslim follow up with this invented scenario.

I agree. Christ is never recorded as saying “I am God”, so Alcrusader’s own faith is defeated if he accepts this line of thought because Jesus never did say “I am God”, he said things that indicate such a claim, but the direct claim itself is absent. Same with the Muslims. Mohammed claimed that God was speaking with him and was instructing everyone to worship him, even if he didn’t record God telling him “I am God, worship me.”

Maybe I’m just noticing it, but there seem to be a lot more dishonest arguments of late.

 

[smad0142]

I think the argument is weak that the OP is making. But I just want to answer those objections that claim such a thing never happened in the NT in relation to Jesus. In the Beginning of Ephesians God the Father commands the angels to worship Jesus.

 

[Nine_Two]

I think the argument is weak that the OP is making. But I just want to answer those objections that claim such a thing never happened in the NT in relation to Jesus. In the Beginning of Ephesians God the Father commands the angels to worship Jesus.

Ephesians was an Epistle by Paul, not an account of God.

However you’re correct that the message that Christ is God is clear in scripture, when Christ says “Before Abraham was I AM”,there are no other ways to interpret that in context. However similarly the Koran makes the claim that God is speaking to Mohammed, even if it doesn’t say “God is speaking to Mohammed”.

 

[Alcrusader]

Again, that’s really no different than the Muslim debate tactic of demanding for a text where Jesus says, “I am God.” It is simply illogical, and I don’t see the merit in demanding a Muslim follow up with this invented scenario.

I agree. Christ is never recorded as saying “I am God”, so Alcrusader’s own faith is defeated if he accepts this line of thought because Jesus never did say “I am God”, he said things that indicate such a claim, but the direct claim itself is absent. Same with the Muslims. Mohammed claimed that God was speaking with him and was instructing everyone to worship him, even if he didn’t record God telling him “I am God, worship me.”

Maybe I’m just noticing it, but there seem to be a lot more dishonest arguments of late.

Oo What?! oO
Isn’t Jesus who said: “I and My Father are One” (John 10:30)

Then What dose Jesus Have to do With this Islamic Subject???

This topic is only Whether their is a verse where Allah say to his messenger Mohammad: “I am Allah your god Worship me” !

It has nothing to do with Jesus !!!

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Oo What?! oO
Isn’t Jesus who said: “I and My Father are One” (John 10:30)

Then What dose Jesus Have to do With this Islamic Subject???

This topic is only Whether their is a verse where Allah say to his messenger Mohammad: “I am Allah your god Worship me” !

It has nothing to do with Jesus !!!

We’re simply showing that your argument is self-defeating for the same reason the Muslim argument regarding the deity of Christ is. If we’re going to enter into dialogue with Muslims, we have to be consistent.

 

[Nine_Two]

Oo What?! oO
Isn’t Jesus who said: “I and My Father are One” (John 10:30)

Then What dose Jesus Have to do With this Islamic Subject???

This topic is only Whether their is a verse where Allah say to his messenger Mohammad: “I am Allah your god Worship me” !

It has nothing to do with Jesus !!!

That’s called Double-Standards. You’ll accept something that sort-of means the same thing as “I am God” from Jesus, but you won’t accept the same from the Koran.

 

[smad0142]

Ephesians was an Epistle by Paul, not an account of God.

However you’re correct that the message that Christ is God is clear in scripture, when Christ says “Before Abraham was I AM”,there are no other ways to interpret that in context. However similarly the Koran makes the claim that God is speaking to Mohammed, even if it doesn’t say “God is speaking to Mohammed”.

Hebrews
Chapter 1
1
1 In times past, God spoke in partial and various ways to our ancestors through the prophets;
2
in these last days, he spoke to us through a son, whom he made heir of all things and through whom he created the universe,
3
who is the refulgence of his glory, the very imprint of his being, and who sustains all things by his mighty word. When he had accomplished purification from sins, he took his seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4
as far superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
5
2 For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; this day I have begotten you”? Or again: “I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me”?
6
And again, when he leads 3 the first-born into the world, he says: “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
7
Of the angels he says: “He makes his angels winds and his ministers a fiery flame”;

If your argument is that it is an account of Paul, than any instance in the OT I could say is an account of (blank). God the Father is clearly recorded as having said something, and I chose this verse because it includes the worship piece that the OP wanted to badly.

As an aside though the verse you quoted so obviously has Jesus using the name Yahweh I just wish Jehovah Witness could see that.

I’m also sorry for my incorrect citation in my previous post, it is Hebrews not Ephesians.

 

[Alcrusader]

Ephesians was an Epistle by Paul, not an account of God.

However you’re correct that the message that Christ is God is clear in scripture, when Christ says “Before Abraham was I AM”,there are no other ways to interpret that in context. However similarly the Koran makes the claim that God is speaking to Mohammed, even if it doesn’t say “God is speaking to Mohammed”.

How Do you know that It is God who is speaking to Mohammad If God didn’t reveal it self to Mohammad in the first place like he did with Moses and Isaiah ??

 

[Nine_Two]

How Do you know that It is God who is speaking to Mohammad If God didn’t reveal it self to Mohammad in the first place like he did with Moses and Isaiah ??

I don’t believe it was God who was speaking to Mohammad, I never claimed I did, however the Koran clearly does make that claim.

 

[Nine_Two]

Hebrews
Chapter 1
1
1 In times past, God spoke in partial and various ways to our ancestors through the prophets;
2
in these last days, he spoke to us through a son, whom he made heir of all things and through whom he created the universe,
3
who is the refulgence of his glory, the very imprint of his being, and who sustains all things by his mighty word. When he had accomplished purification from sins, he took his seat at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
4
as far superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs.
5
2 For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; this day I have begotten you”? Or again: “I will be a father to him, and he shall be a son to me”?
6
And again, when he leads 3 the first-born into the world, he says: “Let all the angels of God worship him.”
7
Of the angels he says: “He makes his angels winds and his ministers a fiery flame”;

If your argument is that it is an account of Paul, than any instance in the OT I could say is an account of (blank). God the Father is clearly recorded as having said something, and I chose this verse because it includes the worship piece that the OP wanted to badly.

As an aside though the verse you quoted so obviously has Jesus using the name Yahweh I just wish Jehovah Witness could see that.

I’m also sorry for my incorrect citation in my previous post, it is Hebrews not Ephesians.

Yes, I’m not arguing that the NT is clear that Christ is God, I’m saying that the Muslim argument is that it doesn’t quote Jesus saying “I am God”, and that Alcrusader is trying to apply the same principle to Islam, searching for a specific formula.

 

[Alcrusader]

That’s called Double-Standards. You’ll accept something that sort-of means the same thing as “I am God” from Jesus, but you won’t accept the same from the Koran.

We’re simply showing that your argument is self-defeating for the same reason the Muslim argument regarding the deity of Christ is. If we’re going to enter into dialogue with Muslims, we have to be consistent.

Man When you start to argue from the point of view Islamic, You have to think the way any Muslim think, which means Jesus is Just a simple Prophet.
So I’am discussing this subject from the Point of View Islamic. This means only from the Qu’ran and Islamic teachings!

What are you doing now is MIXING things up!!
If i’m Arabic speaker and you are English speaker how can we discuss if i can’t speak your language or you can’t speak my language? It’s the same here!

I have to speak “Islamicly” so that Muslims understand me!

Hope you got the picture.

And whether or not the subject is weak, well No it’s not weak, in fact it’s so interesting you gonna see.

 

[Alcrusader]

I don’t believe it was God who was speaking to Mohammad, I never claimed I did, however the Koran clearly does make that claim.

Well we gonna find out… it could be Satan maybe… no 1 knows until Now…

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Man When you start to argue from the point of view Islamic, You have to think the way any Muslim think, which means Jesus is Just a simple Prophet.
So I’am discussing this subject from the Point of View Islamic. This means only from the Qu’ran and Islamic teachings!

What are you doing now is MIXING things up!!
If i’m Arabic speaker and you are English speaker how can we discuss if i can’t speak your language or you can’t speak my language? It’s the same here!

I have to speak “Islamicly” so that Muslims understand me!

Hope you got the picture.

And whether or not the subject is weak, well No it’s not weak, in fact it’s so interesting you gonna see.

You’re completely missing the point and getting emotional. We understand that one has to speak from an Islamic point of view. As someone who has debated Muslims for almost four years now, I know how they argue. That is why I brought this up. What you are presenting is simply a Christian version of a fallacious Muslim argument. I don’t like it when Muslims make this kind of argumentation - why would I want a Christian to make it?

This has been a case of brotherly love and correction. Besides, even if we were to speak on the premise that Muslims don’t make the argument we’ve already mentioned, your argument is still illogical for all the reasons that made that argument illogical. It’s a fallacious argument, and if I’m going to poo-poo Muslims for using it, I have to be consistent and critique Christians who use it as well.

 

[smad0142]

Since the OP is from Lebanon and I don’t think English is his first language I will help to explain what I think his idea is:

Muslims argue Jesus isn’t God because he never said I am God worship Me. Well if the fact that Jesus didn’t say that discredits Him, then if whatever talked to Muhammed did not say those things then it too must not be God.

Actually it is pretty clever I think.

 

[Nine_Two]

Since the OP is from Lebanon and I don’t think English is his first language I will help to explain what I think his idea is:

Muslims argue Jesus isn’t God because he never said I am God worship Me. Well if the fact that Jesus didn’t say that discredits Him, then if whatever talked to Muhammed did not say those things then it too must not be God.

Actually it is pretty clever I think.

While that is most certainly his point, and while it might be a workable answer when faced with the fallacy, opening up an offensive with the fallacy makes you guilty of perpetuating it.

 

[Alcrusader]

Since the OP is from Lebanon and I don’t think English is his first language I will help to explain what I think his idea is:

Muslims argue Jesus isn’t God because he never said I am God worship Me. Well if the fact that Jesus didn’t say that discredits Him, then if whatever talked to Muhammed did not say those things then it too must not be God.

Actually it is pretty clever I think.

dude I’m not From Mars!

 

[smad0142]

I think he was just testing something he thought of. I mean he lives in Lebanon he is probably (i just forgot how to spell that word) dealing with Muslisms everyday and so he gets online and goes to CAF to speak with some fellow Catholics and confirm his ideas. I think it is pretty good.

 

[Alcrusader]

Since the OP is from Lebanon and I don’t think English is his first language I will help to explain what I think his idea is:

Muslims argue Jesus isn’t God because he never said I am God worship Me. Well if the fact that Jesus didn’t say that discredits Him, then if whatever talked to Muhammed did not say those things then it too must not be God.

Actually it is pretty clever I think.

Are you maybe trying to say that Mohammad Is God???

Is your first language English?

 

[Nine_Two]

Are you maybe trying to say that Mohammad Is God???

Is your first language English?

…

How do you get that from what smad said?

 

[Alcrusader]

I think he was just testing something he thought of. I mean he lives in Lebanon he is probably (i just forgot how to spell that word) dealing with Muslisms everyday and so he gets online and goes to CAF to speak with some fellow Catholics and confirm his ideas. I think it is pretty good.

What dose the country have to do with this topic? I could be from Iran or China or USA it won’t gonna change 0.01% of it.
Yes I deal with Muslims and I would like to hear an answer for it if possible, since they say the Qu’ran is perfect and is the Book of Allah, than it should not be hard to find that phrase…

The last page and the one before it are useless, not even have smthg to do with this topic!