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Alcrusader
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it’s colored in red
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Yes, because you colored it in red…
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Alcrusader
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Maybe…Yes, because you colored it in red…
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smad0142
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My English there is impeccable. It in no way means that Allah is God. I agree with the OP that what he came up with is a pretty clever idea. I don’t see how in the world the thread got to this point.
To the OP:
I was trying to clarify your ideas because I thought they were not very clear, sorry if I offended you. I especially wanted to help in light of the post you made about English and Arabic speakers; it just sounded like somebody with a native tongue other than English wrote it.
To the OP:
I was trying to clarify your ideas because I thought they were not very clear, sorry if I offended you. I especially wanted to help in light of the post you made about English and Arabic speakers; it just sounded like somebody with a native tongue other than English wrote it.
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smad0142
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For some reason I found this remark hilarious.Yes, because you colored it in red…
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Alcrusader
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I apologize to you man, for thinking that you post was offensive toward me, I know that I don’t have an English PHD, it’s maybe because I didn’t get what you was trying to say, and thought it was a negative comment.
Thanks for trying to in light the idea behind this topic, it’s maybe people here didn’t understood what was my purpose behind this topic.
One last thing, what do you mean by " OP" ?
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Byzantine_Wolf
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O.P. = “Opening Post.” In other words, the first post in the thread.
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elwill
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how it’s not logic for muslims to ask about claiming of jesus to be God in your scripture ?
**if i decided to follow jesus (pbuh) ** , then i will explore his teaching , i will not say jesus is God while jesus himself who i decided to follow never said it and i will not worship him if he didn’t ask me that
if i decided to follow mohammed (pbuh) , then i will explore his teaching , i will worship allah because mohammed (pbuh) who i followed said to me that allah is my creator and he want from me to worship him
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Alcrusader
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Do you have any prove that say that Allah spoke to Mohammad and told him: “I am Allah your god worship me” ?
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Alcrusader
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Still waiting an answer…
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Nine_Two
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It’s not illogical, and examples of where Christ claimed to be God can be given in great number, however Muslims always discount them because they don’t directly say the words “I am God”. It is the same fallacy the OP is making.
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The sad thing is Muslims keep making it even though Christians have shown that it is not only an unimpressive argument but a logically fallacious one as well (the even sadder thing is a lot of Muslims who make it even after being told it’s fallacious post it over and over again on these forums).
The old saying is, “If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it probably is a duck,” but according to the fallacious logic wrought upon Muslim apologetics by men like Deedat, that duck isn’t a duck until it stops quacking and says, “I’m a duck.”
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elwill
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the only prophet whom i believe spoke to God directly was Mosas (pbuh)
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Was it from behind a veil?
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Alcrusader
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This is 100% correct.
Moses is the Prophet of the Jews spoke with God, and he told him that he is Allah and demanded to be worshiped.
and here is the verse
Surah Ta-Ha : 14
قال تعالى" إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي (14)" طه
Sahih International
Indeed, I am Allah . There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance.
Pickthall
Lo! I, even I, am Allah, There is no Allah save Me. So serve Me and establish worship for My remembrance.
Yusuf Ali
"Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise.
Shakir
Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance:
Dr. Ghali
Surely I, Ever I, am Allah; there is no god except I; so worship Me, and keep up the prayer for My Remembrance.
So what I need to know now, if Islam is supposed to be the last and the Best religion of Allah who was sent to save the world, how come Allah never spoke with Mohammad and told him: " I am Allah your God Worship me" like he did with Moses ?
Moses was ONLY sent to the people of Israel, and according to the Qur’an he told them Who is his god, Why Mohammad who was sent to the all world Allah never told him who he was and never told him to Worship him Directly like he did with moses?
Isn’t it strange that Allah never told his Messenger to the world that :" I am Allah worship me" ? instead he showed his self to Moses the prophet of Israel??
so how do you worship a god that never told his best prophet Mohammad directly to worship him?
Beside that Why did Allah in the Qur’an Never Told Moses his real name “Jehovah” like in the Torah and the Bible?
Could he possibly forgot that little detail?
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elwill
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i think that the requirment of last and best relegion is preservation of this relegion for the next generations , not that God speak directly to the last prophet
i believe that God distributed his gifts between his prophets , we respect all prophets and not compare or prefer one of them over another
the God i worship is the same God who said to mosas directly" i’m your God worship me"
if you argue with me from islaimc prespective then you should to remember that our God is the same God who spoke to mosas (pbuh)
making distiniction between God of mohammed and God of mosas when you talk with muslims is a big fallacy in your argument
l confess that mosas (pbuh) spoke directly to God , while mohammed (pbuh) didn’t , actually childrens muslims knows that . so what do you try to proof ?
are you want convince me that mosas (pbuh) better than mohammed (pbuh) ?
do you know that it dosn’t mattar with me which prophet better than whom , i believe that all of them better of ourselfs
i will not ever make comparisons between prophets of God . because actually i believe in all of them .
may beause this word isn’t arabic word
may be Jehovah refer to God and not neccessery to be the name of God . as for example when we call our God by rahman or raheem instead of allah
actually i doubt if christians arabs have this name “jahovah” in their bible , it was always allah , i wonder why either ?
i read before that no one really knows how to pronounce this word , is that true ?
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elwill
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yes , he didn’t see him he just heared his voice
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Alcrusader
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Are you serious?
well all prophets used to communicated with God directly, ONLY Mohammad was the only prophet that an angel gave him the revelations!
How can you be so sure that this angel wasn’t Satan? Or from Satan?
How come God HIM self never spoked to Mohammad if really Islam was the best religion of Allah?? Don’t you find it weird?
Well it’s a good claim that must be proven.
If he spoke with moses, then he could have spoked with his best Messenger!!
Plus Moses wasONLY sent to people of Israel, Whereas Mohammad was sent to the WHOLE world.
If Allah spoke to a prophet sent for a people of couple thousands man, then why didn’t he spoked to a prophet who was sent to billions of people around the world? Isn’t ISLAM Is the Right Religion chosen by ALLAH to Each man and woman, isn’t it??
Well to tell you the truth, I believe in god of Moses more than I believe in god of Mohammad, at least with moses I know who is this god.
They know it and they didn’t think why?!?!?!
Kinda weird don’t you think?
Is it maybe because you are not allowed to think in Islam?
You just have to accept everything and not argue nor think?
Well since you are speaking about moses, than yes. I think moses is a better than Mohammad.
I think the smallest prophet who was sent by Jehovah is better than Mohammad.
Do you want me to believe in a prophet that used to tell his followers myths and bed time stories about him and his adventures with his god and consider his only gift was a doubted piece of book and never did not even 1 small miracle, or you want me to believe in a prophet that have gave me so many evidence and miracles that not believing in him would make me a retarded blind punk?
Not all of them.
And yes they are all better then us, Only 1 is worse than us all…
Well some of them should have a word added before their title as “Prophet”… a word like "False".
My friend you know how many Non-Arabic word was mentioned in the Qur’an???
You know a word like “Israel” or " Hidna" for example are not Arabic words?
you know also that “Firdaws” (which means Heaven") is not an Arabic word?
So how come Allah could forgot a primordial word like " Jehovah" ( Yahwah - يهوه) Which IS HIS NAME ??? Can someone forget his name for example?
Allah = Perfect = Never forget anything
Is perfect means to you that he could forget such IMPORTANT detail that have been mentioned in 2 books ( the Torah & the Bible) before the Qur’an and who were sent by the same god???
com’on dude some logic!
No Jehovah is the name of God.
[BIBLEDRB]Exodus 3:11-16[/BIBLEDRB]
Verse 14 - 15
I AM WHO AM = The Lord God of your fathers =Jehovah = Yahweh
the Arabic text.
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فقال موسى لله: من أنا حتى أذهب إلى فرعون، وحتى أخرج بني إسرائيل من مصر
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فقال: إني أكون معك ، وهذه تكون لك العلامة أني أرسلتك: حينما تخرج الشعب من مصر، تعبدون الله على هذا الجبل
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فقال موسى لله: ها أنا آتي إلى بني إسرائيل وأقول لهم: إله آبائكم أرسلني إليكم. فإذا قالوا لي: ما اسمه ؟ فماذا أقول لهم
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فقال الله لموسى: أهيه الذي أهيه. وقال: هكذا تقول لبني إسرائيل: أهيه أرسلني إليكم
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وقال الله أيضا لموسى: هكذا تقول لبني إسرائيل: يهوه إله آبائكم، إله إبراهيم وإله إسحاق وإله يعقوب أرسلني إليكم. هذا اسمي إلى الأبد وهذا ذكري إلى دور فدور
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اذهب واجمع شيوخ إسرائيل وقل لهم: الرب إله آبائكم، إله إبراهيم وإسحاق ويعقوب ظهر لي قائلا: إني قد افتقدتكم وما صنع بكم في مصر
in the Arabic text you will find to easily written in verses 14 and 15.
you wanna know why it’s not used between common people?
it’s because it’s a very sacred and holy word that only the men of church are allowed to used it, and because of the many heresies that have used this word.
here’s some info
newadvent.org/cathen/08329a.htm
and here an Arabic link. All you need to know what dose it means, and why it’s not used very commonly.
st-takla.org/Full-Free-Coptic-Books/FreeCopticBooks-002-Holy-Arabic-Bible-Dictionary/28_E/E_269.html
euh…isn’t it Jehovah? Yahweh?
Not too hard to pronounce…
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elwill
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that’s my humble view
well , i believe that only mosas (pbuh) spoke to God directly
because this angel taught our prophet (pbuh) to say " I seek refuge with God (from) satan "! every time before recite th quran
i find no problem if the massage revealed directly or indirectly ( through the angle Jibril (pbuh) ) to our prophet (pbuh)
do you think that my trust in prophet mohammed (pbuh) will depend on whither mohammed (pbuh) said if he spoke directly to God or through the angle jibril !
both of them are unseen to me : i can’t see jibril nor i can’t see God while he is talking to mohammed (pbuh) . so my criteria of trust in islam not about the tool , rather it’s about the massage itself
as long as your are talking from prespective of islamic view , then it was proven to us from the quran
your argument dosn’t refute the prophethood of mohammed (pbuh)
but mosas (pbuh) never believed in triune God
well , what about asking you " why"
why didn’t God spoke directly with mohammed (pbuh) ?
if you wanna to answer in the tonque of God , then at least quote the scriptures
i want from you to choose the true ones , and i hope you will be lucky in your choices
it wasn’t mentioned as his name in arabic quran , bu i have no problem to call him God in english or to call him Jahovah as in hebrew or to call him allah as in aramic and arabic language
i’m trying
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