Did angels really have sex with humans in old testement?

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I’ve heard this here and there but it’s always kinda weirdly warped ( like be modest else we turn the angels around us) when I was a Protestant? ??? It’s kinda confusing and weird.

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Nelka said:
No they didn’t.
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Thanks! I heard that the angels or whatever descended and the ladies flashed their bits then they all hooked up and we got Nephilim. This isn’t seen the same way in the Catholic church, right?

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katpants said:
Thanks! I heard that the angels or whatever descended and the ladies flashed their bits then they all hooked up and we got Nephilim. This isn’t seen the same way in the Catholic church, right?

Thanks!

Kat
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Yeah that’s not a Catholic thing for sure.

Flashed their bits, hey? Had to smile at that though. 😉
 
Angels are fully spiritual creatures, they do not have bodies, which is kinda’ a prerequisite for sex.
 
Brendan said:
Angels are fully spiritual creatures, they do not have bodies, which is kinda’ a prerequisite for sex.
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And they don’t have bits. 😉

(Sorry. Trying to up my post count for today. I guess.)
 
katpants said:
Thanks! I heard that the angels or whatever descended and the ladies flashed their bits then they all hooked up and we got Nephilim. This isn’t seen the same way in the Catholic church, right?

Thanks!

Kat
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Your answer will depend on who you talk to, this is a controversial topic.

I went all thru catholic grade school, and up until about 3 yrs ago, I had never even heard of the word "Nephilim’. I was fascinated when I first heard about them, sounded really strange. Eventually I asked our most senior priest at my parish about it, He explained it the best way I have heard…

The Nephilim were satans attempt to corrupt the human seed, so the baby Jesus could not be born into a human world, of course the virgin birth accomplished this anyway.

The question of how a fallen angel could have sex with human females comes up quite a bit, but there are other bible stories where angels take human form, they eat, drink, etc. the ‘logistics’ of how they do this is beyond us, were those bodies actually human, or were they just a manifestation, making people see a human body? We dont know this and I doubt we could understand it if it was explained to us. I presume this was the case with the fallen angels and the females, they ‘took on’ human bodies, and those bodies had sex with the females, they may have possessed human males, or manifested bodies like in the other bible stories where angels mingled with humans, whatever it was, they were able to pass something on to the offspring making them much larger. Their size is mentioned more than a few times thru out the bible. Numbers calls them giants, humans are grasshoppers compared to them.
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**Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker?  Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly: – Job 4:13-18.
The word “folly” in the Old Testament is used to describe sexual sin.**

Important to keep in mind, there is a good reason why this topic is so controversial, there is a bible verse that talks about ‘their history’ and knowledge of them (Nephilim), being covered over, or erased. Satans tactics were more bold in those times, today, its more beneficial if people do not even believe he exists.
 
Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, “Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.’” The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then “the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities…”

So the possibility certainly must have existed in theory at least otherwise the sin of Sodom would only have been possible in theory
 
PatrickKennedy said:
Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, “Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.’” The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then “the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities…”

So the possibility certainly must have existed in theory at least otherwise the sin of Sodom would only have been possible in theory
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Maybe those guys just didn’t know that angels didn’t have the right bits though?
 
PatrickKennedy said:
Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, “Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.’” The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then “the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities…”

So the possibility certainly must have existed in theory at least otherwise the sin of Sodom would only have been possible in theory
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“But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

First, it did not have to be possible for the men to rape the angels in order for the attempt to do so to be a sin. The impossibility of humans mating with angels in no way lessens the offense there. Not to mention that angels are rather powerful, and could, with God’s permission, easily have leveled the entire city. Protecting themselves (or the form they took at that time) from a few humans would not be an issue. So the fact that the men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to rape angels who they thought were men does not show that it was possible for them to do so, let alone that it is possible for angels and humans to have sex produce offspring.

Second, while angels do sometimes take on the appearance of men in service of God, this does not imply that they have bodies that are capable of mating with humans and producing offspring.

Regarding the Nephilim directly, most Catholic sources discount the whole angels and men mixture thing. You may find some who believe that angels and men had offspring, but most do not. I agree with the posters above who said there was no such offspring - as mentioned, angels do not have bits. When they appear human, they are wearing a disguise or costume, not becoming human.
 
Trident_H said:
Maybe those guys just didn’t know that angels didn’t have the right bits though?
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Angelic beings can take on the appearance of embodiment, but these are not real live bodies, which are a prerequisite for procreation.

ICXC NIKA
 
How exactly do we know all this stuff about the exact nature of the bodies that angels may or may not inhabit.
 
Iron_Donkey said:
Regarding the Nephilim directly, most Catholic sources discount the whole angels and men mixture thing. You may find some who believe that angels and men had offspring, but most do not. I agree with the posters above who said there was no such offspring - as mentioned, angels do not have bits. When they appear human, they are wearing a disguise or costume, not becoming human.*Why, the Nephilim are mentioned in various places thru out the bible, it specifically says they were on the earth before and after the flood, goes into detail about their size, sometimes using cubits (or other terms for measurements), just because it sounds so bizarre, we should discount they were real?

We believe angels ate and drank while in some kind of human disguise, why could they not do other physical things with the bodies they are in or using?
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I do believe in the existance of Angels. I find some of it but slightly disturbing and bordering on superstition a bit like Muslin djins
 
There’s a lot in the Old Testament, especially Genesis, that Catholics are not expected to take literally. If we’re not required to believe in a literal seven day creation (especially considering the Church has said both evolution and the Big Bang are scientifically accurate), I’m not sure why we’d be required to think that a race of half-human, half-angel giants actually existed.
 
PatrickKennedy said:
Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, “Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, ‘Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.’” The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then “the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities…”

So the possibility certainly must have existed in theory at least otherwise the sin of Sodom would only have been possible in theory
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Exactly, this is in.the Old Testament book of Genesis,

Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich also saw visions of this.

It also.mentions in the old Testament and in Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich’s visions, that there were some angels who were neutral during the Fall. Because they refused.to fight for God,.they earned the same.damnation as.the fallen angels (eternity in hell), but because they also did not fight for.satan in the Fall,.God delayed their punishment of hell,.in.that these neutral angels, now fallen angels, were allowed to dwell on earth until the End of Time (and.then be cast to Hell).

They were lost / evil angels for refusing to choose God. Not good angels. Their influence on earth was not good.

The Old Testament and Blessed Emmerich say.they corrupted men to witchcraft, men/women gave themselves over to be possessed by them, and they may have been the Nephilim that influenced Sodomy.and Gommorah to.sodomy.and fornication.and homosexuality.
 
Iron_Donkey said:
“But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

First, it did not have to be possible for the men to rape the angels in order for the attempt to do so to be a sin. The impossibility of humans mating with angels in no way lessens the offense there. Not to mention that angels are rather powerful, and could, with God’s permission, easily have leveled the entire city. Protecting themselves (or the form they took at that time) from a few humans would not be an issue. So the fact that the men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to rape angels who they thought were men does not show that it was possible for them to do so, let alone that it is possible for angels and humans to have sex produce offspring.

Second, while angels do sometimes take on the appearance of men in service of God, this does not imply that they have bodies that are capable of mating with humans and producing offspring.

Regarding the Nephilim directly, most Catholic sources discount the whole angels and men mixture thing. You may find some who believe that angels and men had offspring, but most do not. I agree with the posters above who said there was no such offspring - as mentioned, angels do not have bits. When they appear human, they are wearing a disguise or costume, not becoming human.
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Blessed Anne Catherine saw in a vision that women gave themselves over to be possessed by the fallen Nephilim angels. And.then these women tried to corrupt the men to Sodomy, fornication,.carnation, and witchcraft/ idolatry. That people.who worshipped these fallen angels used strange occult powers to do earth defying.things.
(which is horrible because.their Souls were possibly damned.by this idolatry/ occult)
 
Whatever angelic beings can do by means of their pseudo-bodies; if these are not genuine, human natural bodies, they do not contain the DNA needed for procreation with human life.

And the only way to acquire a human natural body is to be born into human life as a human being.

ICXC NIKA
 
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