Did anyone hear this today?

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When I went to get my ashes, the priest said “Repent, and believe the good news”.

Very protestant of him, I thought.
 
I have heard that in the past as an optional blessing when the ashes are put on. It is allowed.

/still going tonight
 
The possible phrases are:
Remember, O man, that you are dust, and unto dust you shall return. (Latin: Memento homo, quia pulvis es, et in pulverem reverteris.)

—Genesis 3:19
Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel.

—Mark 1:15
Repent, and hear the good news.

—Mark 1:15
The bolded one is the most common … at least in my part of the catholic world…
 
Yeah, I’ve never heard it before. In my 38 years, I’ve only heard “Remember man that thou art dust…”

Are these optional blessing post VII?
 
slewi said:
When I went to get my ashes, the priest said “Repent, and believe the good news”.

Very protestant of him, I thought.
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What is Protestant?

Repenting, the Good News, or the combination of both?
 
slewi said:
Yeah, I’ve never heard it before. In my 38 years, I’ve only heard “Remember man that thou art dust…”

Are these optional blessing post VII?
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Probably. These days more often I hear the ‘Turn away from sin and be faithful to the Gospel’
 
slewi said:
Yeah, I’ve never heard it before. In my 38 years, I’ve only heard “Remember man that thou art dust…”

Are these optional blessing post VII?
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YEs, that is in fact the case…One aspect of VII called for was the renewal of Lent. Ash Wednesay had a baptismal character which VII sought to recover. Part of that was re-intituting the RCIA a restoration of the catechumenate. The church interacts with the with catechumens in the final stage of their preparation for Baptism.

Thus Lent is a season of baptismal preparation and baptismal renewal.

BEcuase Ash Wednesday marks the beginning of Lent, it was natural to begin to focus on baptism in the imposition of the ashes. Thus the second formula that is offered for the imposition of ashes: "Turn away from sin and be faithful to the gospel."

This recas the baptismal promise to reject Satin and all his works [sin] and profess our faith in Jesus. It is a call to conversion, the same call that is taking place in the catachumenate [RCIA]. Which of coarse we ar call to do every day but focus on during Lent. 🙂

The church joins the catechumens in the last stage of their preparation for the Easter sacraments,. We join them on the walk to Easter.👍
 
slewi said:
When I went to get my ashes, the priest said “Repent, and believe the good news”.

Very protestant of him, I thought.
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Would you say to Jesus, “How Protestant of you?”

1 Mark1:14* Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel.”
 
I’ve heard all those responses at Ash Wednesday. My priest said Remember man that you are dust… I liked that - it was Lent old school.🙂
 
slewi said:
When I went to get my ashes, the priest said “Repent, and believe the good news”.

Very protestant of him, I thought.
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Ergh, what did you want him to say?!

DIE FOOLISH MORTAL MUHAHAHAHAHAH!

🤷
 
Well family, like I said above, I have never heard the other forms of the blessing.

And the reason the whole thing seemed protestant to me is because the quote from Douay Rheims is “And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel”. Not believe the good news.

And even in the New American Bible, the USCCB’s ‘official’ bible the quote is “And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel”.

So where’d the “good news” come from? Seems like Mr. Haagen had something to do with that…:rolleyes:
 
slewi said:
Well family, like I said above, I have never heard the other forms of the blessing.

And the reason the whole thing seemed protestant to me is because the quote from Douay Rheims is “And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel”. Not believe the good news.

And even in the New American Bible, the USCCB’s ‘official’ bible the quote is “And saying: The time is accomplished, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent, and believe the gospel”.

So where’d the “good news” come from? Seems like Mr. Haagen had something to do with that…:rolleyes:
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Gospel means Good News. Sometimes we just need to be reminded of it using common vernacular.
Similarly, too often we take “gospel” to be a reference to Scripture. In the context of Ash Wednesday, we are to be reminded of the good news that Jesus Christ has died for us. Now we need to die to ourself so we might live in Him. Finally, I think that the “dust to dust” is a focus on our earthly destiny while the others are a focus on our eternal call. To focus on our earthly destiny puts Lent into a a “2nd Mansion” perspective vs. the spiritual sweetness and consolation of the more interior mansions. Need to read Theresa of Avila to get my latter statement. 😃
 
“Remember that you are dust, and unto dust you shall return.”

I appreciated the Bishop leaving out the “man” part.
 
YADA said:
YEs, that is in fact the case…One aspect of VII called for was the renewal of Lent. Ash Wednesay had a baptismal character which VII sought to recover. Part of that was re-intituting the RCIA a restoration of the catechumenate. The church interacts with the with catechumens in the final stage of their preparation for Baptism.

Thus Lent is a season of baptismal preparation and baptismal renewal.

BEcuase Ash Wednesday marks the beginning of Lent, it was natural to begin to focus on baptism in the imposition of the ashes. Thus the second formula that is offered for the imposition of ashes: "Turn away from sin and be faithful to the gospel."

This recas the baptismal promise to reject Satin and all his works [sin] and profess our faith in Jesus. It is a call to conversion, the same call that is taking place in the catachumenate [RCIA]. Which of coarse we ar call to do every day but focus on during Lent. 🙂

The church joins the catechumens in the last stage of their preparation for the Easter sacraments,. We join them on the walk to Easter.👍
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On the other hand, “Remember,man,that you are dust…” makes a better connection to the action that is occurring at that moment (imposition of ashes)
 
slewi said:
When I went to get my ashes, the priest said “Repent, and believe the good news”.
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Those nasty Protestants, running around repenting and believing the Gospel. What nerve. They must be trying to make us Catholics look bad.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
If you look in the Sacramentary, you’ll see there are two options for what to say when the ashes are imposed. I’ll check when I get home tonight, but I believe the second option is “Repent, and believe in the gospel”.
 
drforjc said:
On the other hand, “Remember,man,that you are dust…” makes a better connection to the action that is occurring at that moment (imposition of ashes)
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I am not sure that is the ‘connection’ intended - should be more like small version of sack cloth and ashes for repentance.
 
japhy said:
If you look in the Sacramentary, you’ll see there are two options for what to say when the ashes are imposed. I’ll check when I get home tonight, but I believe the second option is “Repent, and believe in the gospel”.
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Those are the only two options I see, too.

Richard
 
The last two years, I heard “Turn from sin and be faithful to the Gospel.”

This year, I heard nothing, we’ve got sixteen inches of snow. They had Mass, but I’ll have to wait until Saturday to find out if anyone showed up.
 
The NRSV and RSV-CE translation of Mark 1:15 says “…repent, and believe in the good news.” Gospel = good news. If you think it sounds too Protestant-y…Just remember which Church was saying it first. 😛
Eilish_Maura said:
I am not sure that is the ‘connection’ intended - should be more like small version of sack cloth and ashes for repentance.
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The ashes on our foreheads historically represent repentance and mourning for our sins. It’s appropriate to meditate on our mortality and the transience of life, so the “connection” with Gen 3:19 is there. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust…

Re: Lenten reflections, I also like this notion from The Shawshank Redemption: Get busy living, or get busy dying.
 
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