Did Buddha claim to be a god & request to be worshiped? If not, will we see him in heaven?

[Grym]

Does this story mean that true enlightenment involves simplicity?

I do not know if rossum agrees with me but I would like to say that enlightenment is the simplest thing there is.

It is simply about seeing the world as it truly is.

Without our predjudice and kongitive filters.

So all other ways to see the world results in more work having to be done than that.

Like normaly all types of evaluation, feelings, desires and volitions are attached to our exeperience of the world.

I imagine enlightenment as void of all these things and a state of experiencing the world pure and objective. To finally see the world and “yourself” as they are and being at peace with that.

To stop construing the world and to finally and truly be at peace!

/Victor

 

[Servant19]

I do not know if rossum agrees with me but I would like to say that enlightenment is the simplest thing there is.

It is simply about seeing the world as it truly is.

Without our predjudice and kongitive filters.

So all other ways to see the world results in more work having to be done than that.

Like normaly all types of evaluation, feelings, desires and volitions are attached to our exeperience of the world.

I imagine enlightenment as void of all these things and a state of experiencing the world pure and objective. To finally see the world and “yourself” as they are and being at peace with that.

To stop construing the world and to finally and truly be at peace!

/Victor

I would say that the widespread dissemination of this philosophy is part of the goals of the Bahai Faith, together with the construction of a systematic network for the accompaniment of all peoples towards this enlightenment.

I would also say that enlightenment according to Bahai theology goes further than even this…

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[PRmerger]

The book was written when he was the Pope. It is magesterial teaching.

It is not good for you to come to a Catholic forum and attempt to dialogue with catechized Catholics, while you display such a blaring ignorance of Catholic teaching, Servant.

One of the most elementary understandings of Catholicism is that everything the pope says is not “magisterial”.

Your error ranks right up there with the eye-roll inducing “And you Catholics believe that Mary is a goddess!” gaffe.

Also, it would help if you had actually read the book. In the forward, Joseph Ratzinger stresses that this is his personal opinion. As such “Everyone is free, then, to contradict me,”

[SIGN1]And, again, even if this were a magisterial document, it does not state that Jesus didn’t literally ascend.[/SIGN1]

Oh, and I just want to add, to express how greatly that you have been mistaken in this, Servant, a specific quote (emphasis mine) from the book Jesus of Nazareth:

"It goes without saying that this book in no way is an exercise of the magisterium but is solely an expression of my personal search “for the face of the Lord (Psalm 27:8)”

 

[PRmerger]

What a very desperate and bizarre comparison(???)

How is that quote, in any way, related to Baha’u’llah verifying the being a sociopath?

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Egg-zactly.

And how is the quote you gave in any way related to verifying that the Holy Father does not believe Jesus literally ascended into heaven, (as his personal belief, BTW).

QED.

 

[PRmerger]

If it is so in the minds of most people then that is how it is perceived.

Even you don’t believe this, Grym. For I am 100% certain that if you asked for 100,000 euros for your car, and a buyer gives you 10 euros, because in his mind it equals 100,000, you wouldn’t accept it.

 

[weller2]

So then Jesus lied. He, an enlightened spiritual leader according to you, lied about it while he was alive. And let the apostles and disciples spread a lie while he was alive for 40 days.

Can you point me to the alleged lie?

And then what happened to him? Did he ascend into heaven or were the apostles confuses about this as well?

Did Gagarin ascend into heaven, or was he and the mission control just confused?

If Jesus literally ascended into the sky and traveled at the speed of light, then he hasn’t yet escaped our galaxy – John Shelby Spong quoting Carl Sagan.

 

[Grym]

Even you don’t believe this, Grym. For I am 100% certain that if you asked for 100,000 euros for your car, and a buyer gives you 10 euros, because in his mind it equals 100,000, you wouldn’t accept it.

I think you secretly admire me and agree with what I say or why would you be gving me examples that all of them proves my point? Tell me true. Are we in legue?

So what I said was:

If it is so in the minds of most people then that is how it is perceived.

If most people think 100,000 EUR is 100,000 EUR. And one man offers me 10 EUR because in his world it is worth 100,000 EUR. (And I know that my Car is worth 100,000 EUR.)

Then I would hold onto my car until I found someone who thought 100,000 EUR was 100,000 EUR? Right?

So what you are saying with your example is that even you belive this and agree with me! Cool!

So what now?

/Victor

 

[Grym]

I would say that the widespread dissemination of this philosophy is part of the goals of the Bahai Faith, together with the construction of a systematic network for the accompaniment of all peoples towards this enlightenment.

I would also say that enlightenment according to Bahai theology goes further than even this…

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I think you would find Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhist philosofy most pleasing!

They think as you toward enlightening the masses and also take the Enlightenment thing “more seriously” than us egocentric theravadians who are more or less just trying to get out of Dodge as fast as we can!

 

[PRmerger]

Can you point me to the alleged lie?

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 20:17-19[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Mark 10:32-34[/BIBLEDRB]
[BIBLEDRB]Luke 18:31-34[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[PRmerger]

Did Gagarin ascend into heaven, or was he and the mission control just confused?

If Jesus literally ascended into the sky and traveled at the speed of light, then he hasn’t yet escaped our galaxy – John Shelby Spong quoting Carl Sagan.

So you believe Jesus ascended to heaven in a space ship? Is that your position?

 

[PRmerger]

I think you secretly admire me and agree with what I say or why would you be gving me examples that all of them proves my point? Tell me true. Are we in legue?

It is absolutely no secret that when you agree with what the Catholic Church that we are in league.

So what I said was:

If it is so in the minds of most people then that is how it is perceived.

If most people think 100,000 EUR is 100,000 EUR. And one man offers me 10 EUR because in his world it is worth 100,000 EUR. (And I know that my Car is worth 100,000 EUR.)

Then I would hold onto my car until I found someone who thought 100,000 EUR was 100,000 EUR? Right?

And when he tells you, “But we have a bargain. I pay you. You give me your car. I have paid you. Now you owe me your end of the bargain” what will you say?

You will say this: You did not pay me what we agreed upon: 100,000 euros.

And he will say, quoting you, “But in my perception, I did give you 100,000 euros. Here, let me add it up for you: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, 100,000!”

And if you are being consistent with your paradigm, then you are going to suffer a great financial loss!

 

[weller2]

Matthew 20:17-19
Mark 10:32-34
Luke 18:31-34

The textual evidence is clear that Jesus actually rose from the dead. I have never claimed otherwise.

So you believe Jesus ascended to heaven in a space ship? Is that your position?

No, it demonstrates absurdity which arises when you read the text literally without taking into account its cultural context.

 

[Grym]

It is absolutely no secret that when you agree with what the Catholic Church that we are in league.

You mean when the Catholic Church agrees with what the Dhamma explaines? Hate to pull the “We were here first Card” but you know there it is. We were on the planet 500 years before You. .

And when he tells you, “But we have a bargain. I pay you. You give me your car. I have paid you. Now you owe me your end of the bargain” what will you say?

You will say this: You did not pay me what we agreed upon: 100,000 euros.

And he will say, quoting you, “But in my perception, I did give you 100,000 euros. Here, let me add it up for you: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, 100,000!”

And if you are being consistent with your paradigm, then you are going to suffer a great financial loss!

Sure I will explain that in a moment when you have explained to me how that which you just claimed can be deduced from the statement.

If it is so in the minds of most people then that is how it is perceived..

What you said seems to be in the head of just one individual?

Now I think you have tried creating a strawman (You do know what that is right?). Like ten times in this conversation. And I have not fallen for it yet.

Could you please come up with something new please? Because that trick is frankly becoming a little boring.

:coffeeread:

Cheers
Victor

PS
If you are interested then I could teach you like 10 other rethorical tricks that are much more devious? Just say the word.
DS

 

[meltzerboy]

You mean when the Catholic Church agrees with what the Dhamma explaines? Hate to pull the “We were here first Card” but you know there it is. We were on the planet 500 years before You. .

Sure I will explain that in a moment when you have explained to me how that which you just claimed can be deduced from the statement.

If it is so in the minds of most people then that is how it is perceived..

What you said seems to be in the head of just one individual?

Now I think you have tried creating a strawman (You do know what that is right?). Like ten times in this conversation. And I have not fallen for it yet.

Could you please come up with something new please? Because that trick is frankly becoming a little boring.

:coffeeread:

Cheers
Victor

PS
If you are interested then I could teach you like 10 other rethorical tricks that are much more devious? Just say the word.
DS

Pardon me for butting in, but I think PRmerger was not trying to trick you. She simply did not focus on the word “most” in your statement “In the minds of MOST people.” However, that word is tricky to define: nearly all, the vast majority, more than 50%, much of the time, or something else; and therefore it presents a slippery slope.

 

[PRmerger]

The textual evidence is clear that Jesus actually rose from the dead. I have never claimed otherwise.

Excellent.

So who lied then about Jesus being God? He, or the Apostles?

No, it demonstrates absurdity which arises when you read the text literally without taking into account its cultural context.

What cultural context would that be that misinterprets a man ascending into heaven?

 

[Grym]

Pardon me for butting in, but I think PRmerger was not trying to trick you. She simply did not focus on the word “most” in your statement “In the minds of MOST people.” However, that word is tricky to define: nearly all, the vast majority, more than 50%, much of the time, or something else; and therefore it presents a slippery slope.

putting on the bearded stern face

Then she should pay more attention shouldnt she!

Crossing arms

Hmmm!

Lol.

Seriously though. The statement should be evaluated using Fuzzy Logic. (She will love this!
It means the exact number of people that is needed to comfortably determine a believable truth value.

Like the market value of some Stock. Or indeed the value of a Car.

Peace
/Victor

 

[PRmerger]

You mean when the Catholic Church agrees with what the Dhamma explaines? Hate to pull the “We were here first Card” but you know there it is. We were on the planet 500 years before You. .

All truth is Catholic truth, Grym.

To the degree that what your spiritual leaders proclaim that which is true, is the degree to which Catholicism embraces it.

 

[PRmerger]

Pardon me for butting in, but I think PRmerger was not trying to trick you.

Thank you, brother. :hug1:

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

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