Did Constantine change the Catholic Church?

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I have a good friend who is currently a protestant that was asking about Constantine and how he effected the Church. This friend contends that the early church was pure then ‘Rome conquered the church’ and changed her beliefs/practices. How do I refute this claim??
 
I have a good friend who is currently a protestant that was asking about Constantine and how he effected the Church. This friend contends that the early church was pure then ‘Rome conquered the church’ and changed her beliefs/practices. How do I refute this claim??
The burden of proof is on your friend, not on you. 🙂
 
I have a good friend who is currently a protestant that was asking about Constantine and how he effected the Church. This friend contends that the early church was pure then ‘Rome conquered the church’ and changed her beliefs/practices. How do I refute this claim??
The words “prove it,” should suffice. You could even direct him to this handy dandy source of Church father quotes that he can peruse to try to prove his point: amazon.com/Fathers-Know-Best-Jimmy-Akin/dp/1933919345

This argument is an instance of people making up history to try to justify themselves.
 
Many Protestants claim that Constantine changed the Church as an excuse for their break with the Catholic Church.

There were two important things that Constantine did with respect to the Church.


  1. *]The Edict of Milan. This edict was issued to the Western Empire when he first became Emperor of the West. It decreed religious liberty and forbade the persecution of Christians. When the Christians came out of the catacombs into the open, quess what? They looked and acted just like the Catholic Church. The Protestants claim that Constantine changed the Church at that time to explain why it looked so Catholic. However, a careful reading of the early Church Fathers would show that the majority of “Catholic” beliefs and practices were already existing.
    *]Assembling the Council of Nicea. Constantine assembled the Council of Nicea; he did not direct it. There were many heresies at that time that created a great deal of disorder and even violence in the empire. In the interests of civil peace, he assembled the Nicean Council. Basically, he said, “OK, everybody inside and play nice,” and left it to the bishops to work it out. From that we got the Nicean Creed, which most Protestants ascribe to anyway.

    Oh, one other bit, he gave the Lateran palace to the Church, which became the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran, the oldest of the basilica’s in Rome.
 
**Matthew 16: 15-18

[15] Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

[16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.**
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 Anyone who claims that the Catholic Church has changed/fallen away from Christ's teachings/etc (your friend included) is claiming that Christ is a liar (as for this to happen, the gates of hell **would have** prevailed against the church).  Since Christ is the Son of God, and also God in trinity with the Holy Spirit, and God is Truth; this goes against His very nature and is theologically impossible.

 As Catholics, we cannot allow ourselves to be swayed by claims such as these or we risk falling into heresy if we start to believe them. (Not to mention that if we start to believe them, then in truth we are no longer Catholic).

 It is my humble opinion that many of our separated brethren in Christ who adhere to protestant doctrines hold to claims such as this in an attempt to rationalize their belief in protestantism instead of coming back to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

 Our conscience, heart, and soul will continue to yearn for God and try to draw us closer to Him; sadly, it is sometimes our brain and free-will that will impede us.  If we are not following the teachings of the One, True Church; I believe our conscience will nag at us to let us know.  To ease one's conscience a person can either choose to be in communion with the Catholic Church, or try to disprove Her.
Hope this helps.

pax vobiscum
 
This friend contends that the early church was pure then ‘Rome conquered the church’ and changed her beliefs/practices.
Well that would be a strange thing, considering that Daniel prophesied precisely the opposite…

“Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom [Rome], strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others… In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom [Catholic Church] that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.” (Daniel 2 40-44)

Hopefully everyone can see! And my gloss is easily proven since the Roman Empire was ruling the world when God set up His Kingdom on earth in the Person of Jesus Christ. And it was His Church, the Catholic Church that conquered the Roman Empire and renamed it the Holy Roman Empire! So who conquered whom? Your friend is fighting against God.

He should also take note that this Kingdom of God “will never be destroyed” - or “the Gates of Hell will not prevail” (Matt 16:18). And also: “nor will it be left to another people” - sorry Luther.

You should also check out Scripture Catholic. You will find hundreds of quotes from the Church Fathers, many from before the time of Constantine, on all the Church’s doctrines. God Bless.
 
As part of the ‘Year of Faith/Vatican II’ celebrations, my Church has been having a series of monthly presentations. The first talk was based on the Church before and after Vatican II and was given by a Priest who claimed that Constantine did indeed change the Church. His argument was that before Constantine, the Church looked very much like a post Vatican II Church, which is often the same argument given by Protestants.

As an aside, he also claimed that as some non-Catholic churches share the calendar of Gospel readings with the Catholic Church - namely the Church of England - then cross Communion should be a given.
 
Christmas is always a big accusation that the Church accepted paganism into it. Fr Mitch Pacwa on EWTN said that, even though lots of people say that the Christians took the Sol Invictus feast and replaced it with the Feast of Christmas, Christmas came first and the Romans started the feast of Sol Invictus to replace the Feast of Christmas. I found this on the internet in support of Fr Mitch’s possition:

One ancient source mentioned Dies Natalis Solis Invicti in the Chronography of 354, and Sol scholar Steven Hijmans stated that there is no evidence that the celebration [Dies Natalis Solis Invicti] precedes that of Christmas: “[W]hile the winter solstice on or around December 25 was well established in the Roman imperial calendar, there is no evidence that a religious celebration of Sol on that day antedated the celebration of Christmas, and none that indicates that Aurelian had a hand in its institution.”

Source: Hijmans, S.E., Sol, the sun in the art and religions of Rome, 2009, p. 589. ISBN 978-90-367-3931-3

Also…

Since the Western Christmas (25 December) falls near the Winter Solstice (21 December), it occurs at the same time of the year as certain pagan solstice feasts. One such feast was the Roman celebration of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Nativity of the Invincible Sun), which commemorated the birth of the sun god Mithra. After Emperor Aurelian declared Mithra/Sol Invictus to be the patron of the Roman Empire in 274 AD, this feast in his honor became very popular.

Some say that the Christians invented Christmas, a feast in honor of Jesus’ birth, as an alternative to this popular feast of Mithra’s birth. Others claim that Christmas was never a separate feast, but is the feast of Sol Invictus itself, continued and adapted by pagan converts in the fourth century, after Constantine forced them to become Christians. Unwilling to abandon their beloved Mithraism, they changed Dies Natalis Solis Invicti into a feast of Christ’s Nativity (since no one knows for sure what day Jesus was born).

This common theory has a few problems. First, careful study shows that Western Christians were celebrating Christmas on 25 December in the late third century, before the Sol Invictus festival was widely celebrated in the Empire 1. So Christians did not create this feast to oppose a popular Roman one. As far as Christmas being a “continuation” of a pagan festival, this seems unlikely when one considers the abhorrence many Christians felt toward paganism. Believers of Jewish descent did not suddenly lose their deep aversion to idolatry after Baptism, and converts from paganism often despised the religions which they left behind. Thousands of Christians died during the Romans persecutions rather than engage in pagan rites. Why would they embrace the hated celebrations of their persecutors?

“As long ago as 1958, the Israeli scholar Shemaryahu Talmon published an in-depth study on the calendar of the Qumran sect, and he reconstructed without the shadow of doubt the order of the sacerdotal rota system for the temple of Jerusalem (1 Chronicles 24, 7-18) in New Testament times. Here the family of Abijah, of which Zechariah was a descendent, father of John the herald and forerunner (Luke 1,5) was required to officiate twice a year, on the days 8-14 of the third month, and on the days 24-30 of the eighth month. This latter period fell at about the end of September. It is not without reason that the Byzantine calendar celebrated ‘John’s conception’ on September 23 and his birth nine months later, on June 24. The ‘six months’ after the Annunciation established as a liturgical feast on March 25, comes three months before the forerunner’s birth, prelude to the nine months in December: December 25 is a date of history” 2.

[In addition to this, the ancient “integral age” tradition is that the Prophets died on the same day they were conceived. With Passover set at 25 March, the Annunciation would have taken place on that same date – and the Nativity would’ve taken place 9 months later, on 25 December.]

Even the common argument that shepherds would not have been in the fields in December is inaccurate. That is the time of the year when sheep naturally begin giving birth (“lambing”), and the shepherds would typically stay with the sheep at night to take care of the newborn lambs. In fact, the lambing season would have been the only time of the year in which the shepherds would have stayed with the flocks during the night (see Luke 2:8).This information seems to confirm that Jesus could well have been born on or near 25 December, perhaps even 6 January (considering the many possible normal fluctuations of gestational periods). So either of these traditional dates may be - or at least come very close to - Jesus’ real birthday! The fact that December 25 happens to fall four days after the Winter Solstice is a coincidence of history (and the Eastern Christmas is sixteen days removed from the solstice, so it’s harder to see a connection there).
  1. Greg Dues, Catholic Customs and Traditions, A Popular Guide, (Mystic, CN: Twenty-Third, 1989) 61.
  2. Tommaso Federici, Osservatore Romano 24 Dec 1998.
Source: home.earthlink.net/~mysticalrose/pagan8.html
 
I have a good friend who is currently a protestant that was asking about Constantine and how he effected the Church. This friend contends that the early church was pure then ‘Rome conquered the church’ and changed her beliefs/practices. How do I refute this claim??
Get a hold of some writings of the Church Fathers from before Constantine was born then you can discuss with them what the “pure” church was like before Constantine’s influence on it…like maybe Justine Marytr (who lived around 100-165 AD):

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

Hmmm, this really sounds familiar to me but I just can’t place it.
 
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This argument is an instance of people making up history to try to justify themselves.
Exactly. And no one does it better, more often, or more brazenly, than or seprated brethren. Communists probably even marvel at their creativity in this regard! 😃
 
Many Protestants claim that Constantine changed the Church as an excuse for their break with the Catholic Church.

There were two important things that Constantine did with respect to the Church.


  1. *]The Edict of Milan. This edict was issued to the Western Empire when he first became Emperor of the West. It decreed religious liberty and forbade the persecution of Christians. When the Christians came out of the catacombs into the open, quess what? They looked and acted just like the Catholic Church. The Protestants claim that Constantine changed the Church at that time to explain why it looked so Catholic. However, a careful reading of the early Church Fathers would show that the majority of “Catholic” beliefs and practices were already existing.

    *]Assembling the Council of Nicea. Constantine assembled the Council of Nicea; he did not direct it. There were many heresies at that time that created a great deal of disorder and even violence in the empire. In the interests of civil peace, he assembled the Nicean Council. Basically, he said, “OK, everybody inside and play nice,” and left it to the bishops to work it out. From that we got the Nicean Creed, which most Protestants ascribe to anyway.

    Oh, one other bit, he gave the Lateran palace to the Church, which became the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran, the oldest of the basilica’s in Rome.

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