Did Enoch and Elijah have their souls separated when they went up into Heaven

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I think that one deserves Heaven if they are in a state of grace? it just just that they must remain in a state of grace obviously.
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Heaven is not a right. We aren’t owed it, we do not deserve it. It’s more like a gift.
 
Ok it is a gift I accept but do we in general deserve Hell? what about someone who has never committed a mortal sin(there must be at least a few people who have never mortally sinned)
 
According to Tradition, they’re in an earthly paradise (Not Heaven) awaiting the arrival of the Antichrist. They’re alive and well.
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What Fr. Ryland is suggesting flies in the face of credible sources. His opinion doesn’t equal fact. Ecclesiasticus 44:16 (Douay-Rheims) Henoch pleased God, and was translated into paradise, that he may give repentance to the nations. Malachi 4:5 See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. St. Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses, Liber 4, Cap. 30 The disciples of the Apostles say that they (Enoch and Elijah) whose living bodies were taken up fro…
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Interesting, so when they return back to earth will their coming be obvious or will they sneak in through the back door so to speak?
 
Their arrival isn’t described. Although they will be overwhelmed by how much the world has changed.

Personally, I think that they’ll be dropped off somewhere out of sight.

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Some say that angels brought them from the netherworld to the Last Supper to witness the Mystery of the Mass.
 
That’s assuming they’re dead and I haven’t heard that before.
 
No. By netherworld, I mean Limbo or Purgatory.

They aren’t considered to be dead in Christ.
 
According to Tradition, they’re physically alive (Like You and Me) having not physically died.
 
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I would recommend reading the Book of Enoch.
It may not be considered scripture in the Catholic Church, I believe only the Ethiopian Orthodox Tawahedo Church recognizes it; but it was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, is quoted and referenced too in scripture, and I think a case could be made is the most influential text of the non canonical books. It gets much more in detail to a lot of the stuff from Genesis that a lot of people wonder about, especially the Watchers, and the fuller story of Enoch. The work is massive but fills in a lot on Enoch, who in Genesis is just kind of said , he walked with the Lord and was taken to heaven, and that’s it. Also, the Book of Jubilees is more detailed on it.
http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/1enoch.html
 
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According to some (maybe tradition), St. Anne, Joseph, and others who believed strongly in the resurrection were raised from the dead (bodily) at the time Jesus resurrected. This is also Biblical (Gospel), but the proper nouns (who) is not biblical. However, I understood it that it was temporary. In other words, they got a taste of the resurrection to come.
 
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Who are “the watchers”? Is this something to do with JW (Jehova’s Witness)?
 
No. Absolutely not. Absolutely nothing to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Even Daniel refers to Watchers. It is mainly a term for angels.

The first part of the Book of Enoch describes the fall of the Watchers, the angels who fathered the Nephilim. The remainder of the book describes Enoch’s visits to heaven in the form of travels, visions and dreams, and his revelations.
 
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Elijah was taken to heaven in a whirlwind, not a fiery chariot.

Only God knows if those two are in heaven, or some sort of state awaiting Paradise.

Genesis 5 says Enoch walks with the LORD and was taken by Him. Second Kings says Elijah was taken to heaven in the whirlwind.

Since Jews believe the soul was present in the blood, and Elijah appeared with Moses during the Transfiguration - I would suggest he is in heaven, and was summoned to Mt. Tabor with the Lawgiver to appear with Christ our True God.

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Elijah didn’t go to heaven nor did he fly in the air.

He was a very well trained walker.

In the bible many times the utmost authorities and kings are called “the sky”
To those authorities he had to walk in a hurry driven by a symbolic chariot of God or order from God.

I remember the walk from where he slew the prophets of Baal to Isreel and his following walk from Isreel to Ber Sheba and from there to Damascus.
 
oliver109 said:
Did Enoch and Elijah have their souls separated when they went up into Heaven

They went away from the earth in a fiery chariot, does that mean that they effectively did not die?
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I’ve always used their existence to support the Assumption of Mary. So, I don’t believe their souls were separated.
 
And I remember all the walks he made just before the episode in question with Elisha always following him but never in the sky by air.
 
Ok. I checked my source and I was wrong about their abode being purgatory or limbo.
 
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