Did fathers give any answer about masacre in bible?

[rossum]

Catholics have a ‘you do the crime then you do the time’ concept in that we have a belief in Purgatory.

Do Catholics believe that God goes to Purgatory for His crimes? No, I didn’t think so. God has an automatic “Get out of Hell Free” card. Not every living being who commits a crime is punished in Christian theology.

Satan asked permission of God to deal with Job’s family. Having gained God’s permission, Satan killed them. Did Satan do wrong? Was Satan punished for killing those people – he had God’s permission after all?

Not all wrong actions are punished in Christianity.

rossum

 

[rossum]

So a team shouldn’t be punished if they do bad in general?

You are Christian. Should you be punished for the Srebrenica massacre, which was perpetrated by Christians.

Which and how many white Americans should be punished for slavery? How should they be punished?

If you can’t accept YHWH as merciful or just, that’s your affair. However I do.

YHWH killed every unborn baby on earth. I cannot see that as either just or merciful.

rossum

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

You are Christian. Should you be punished for the Srebrenica massacre, which was perpetrated by Christians.

Which and how many white Americans should be punished for slavery? How should they be punished?

Will you at least answer my question first? Shouldn’t a team be penalized for the actions of a single player?

YHWH killed every unborn baby on earth. I cannot see that as either just or merciful.

rossum

That is your affair. I just let God be God and JB be JB.

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Do Catholics believe that God goes to Purgatory for His crimes? No, I didn’t think so.

You see yourself and God as equals. I understand your dilemma in not grasping why there is no crime being committed by God.

 

[rossum]

Will you at least answer my question first? Shouldn’t a team be penalized for the actions of a single player?

In terms of morality, no. Each person is responsible for their own actions. I cannot control the actions of others, so I am not responsible for their actions. “I was only following orders,” was rejected at Nuremberg: each person is directly responsible for their own actions.

Now please answer my questions. Where do the boundaries of your “team” lie?

Should Christians be punished for the Srebrenica massacre, which was perpetrated by Christians?

Which and how many white Americans should be punished for slavery?

rossum

 

[rossum]

You see yourself and God as equals. I understand your dilemma in not grasping why there is no crime being committed by God.

My approach to morality is different to yours. My morality is more absolute than yours; yours only applies to humans while mine applies to humans, angels, devils and gods. Your morality allows an exception for God; mine does not.

Whether or not an exception is allowed, how is it possible to describe a mass-killer of unborn children as either ‘merciful’ or ‘just’? If you read through the Old Testament then God kills more people than Satan. Is that really a recommendation for what God to follow?

rossum

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Now please answer my questions. Where do the boundaries of your “team” lie?

Should Christians be punished for the Srebrenica massacre, which was perpetrated by Christians?

Which and how many white Americans should be punished for slavery?

rossum

Those who indirectly supported slavery are in the hands of YHWH as those who committed the massacre. That is a judgement for God. It is HE and only HE who HAS power over life.
LET YHWH BE YHWH and rossum be rossum.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

If you read through the Old Testament then God kills more people than Satan. Is that really a recommendation for what God to follow?

rossum

Why do you think we follow Him?

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

My approach to morality is different to yours. My morality is more absolute than yours; yours only applies to humans while mine applies to humans, angels, devils and gods. Your morality allows an exception for God; mine does not.

More accurately, your morality sees the need for God to be accountable for something you perceive to be His fault due to some immoral action He alledgely performed. You, as supreme judge at His trial, would convict God to rebirth until He got it right so He can eventually attain Nirvana. I think I understand your position. I just disagree with the notion that you, or anyone else, knows how God should act in any given situation and that God ought to be accountable for the actions He takes, whether we may agree with His decisions or not. And, if He is accountable, to whom would He be accountable? You?

Whether or not an exception is allowed, how is it possible to describe a mass-killer of unborn children as either ‘merciful’ or ‘just’? If you read through the Old Testament then God kills more people than Satan. Is that really a recommendation for what God to follow?

I believe I already came up with one possible scenario where God’s actions could be seen as merciful given the circumstances. The early Christians, and specifically the Bible is silent regarding the fate of unborn children who die before birth. Will those unborn babies be in Heaven or Hell? I do not know. I do trust in a merciful God. I understand that you do not accept the concept of mercy as it is foreign to Buddhist spirituality.

 

[rossum]

And, if He is accountable, to whom would He be accountable? You?

Why does He have to be accountable to anyone else. If God throws a rocks into the air, who is accountable for the rock landing on God’s head a while later? We are all accountable to our own future selves for our present actions. It is those future selves who will suffer the consequences of those actions. God is accountable to God’s future self.

I do trust in a merciful God.

God kills too many for me to describe Him as “merciful”.

I understand that you do not accept the concept of mercy as it is foreign to Buddhist spirituality.

No it is not. Karuna (compassion) is a Buddhist virtue. However, the karuna of any god cannot affect the consequences of your actions. You can ask a god for mercy, but it won’t do you much good, even if the god grants it. Karma (moral law) is more powerful than any god. All gods are subject to karma.

rossum

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

Why does He have to be accountable to anyone else. If God throws a rocks into the air, who is accountable for the rock landing on God’s head a while later? We are all accountable to our own future selves for our present actions. It is those future selves who will suffer the consequences of those actions. God is accountable to God’s future self.

God kills too many for me to describe Him as “merciful”.

No it is not. Karuna (compassion) is a Buddhist virtue. However, the karuna of any god cannot affect the consequences of your actions. You can ask a god for mercy, but it won’t do you much good, even if the god grants it. Karma (moral law) is more powerful than any god. All gods are subject to karma.

rossum

Appreciate your perspectives. :tiphat:

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

Appreciate your perspectives. :tiphat:

You appreciate how he said God is not merciful because of how many people he killed?

 

[Stylteralmaldo]

You appreciate how he said God is not merciful because of how many people he killed?

Let me clarify: I appreciate that Rossum shared his perspective. I do not agree with the positions put forth nor appreciate the perspectives themselves. My post was poorly written. I hope that clarifies where I am coming from.

 

[SalamKhan]

Sometimes it is necessary to eliminate undesirable elements even without exception, as they were possible threats to the Israelites intended long term occupation of the promised land; this was a common war tactic among most people throughout history but in the case of the Israelites, they were commanded by God to do so and God knows the past, present and future.

When God ordered the Israelites to execute His enemies of old who were worshipping the demons and practising the black arts, He commanded what was good and holy, for human life is not an absolute and, under proper authorisation, can be legitimately taken away from those who commit capital offences, amongst which are the spread of false worship and occultism.

God satisfied the requirements of ‘virtue ethics’ by commanding the death of these evil peoples with all the perfection and purity of His Most Holy Will. In His infinite Mercy and Goodness He cut short the increasingly wicked lives of these unrepentant souls (i) so that they would suffer fewer torments in the fires of Hell and (ii) so that the contagion of their evil practices (involving demon worship and human sacrifice) would not infect and kill the souls of His Chosen People.

God also satisfied the requirements of ‘utilitarian/consequential ethics’, for His holy objective was perfectly realized in practice: the Israelites DID conquer the land (miraculously and against all odds) and enter their God-given home, demon worship and sacrifices WERE expelled, and the next essential step in Salvation History, ahead of the coming of the Messiah, WAS achieved. All in all a resounding success, increasing God’s blessings not just for the Israelites but for the whole of mankind of which they were the prefigurement.

If God in His Omniscience had perfect knowledge of the irredeemable wickedness of the Canaanites and the even greater sufferings they would merit for eternity in Hell were they to be allowed to continue along their path of evil, was it not merciful of Him to spare them these additional torments?

Does not God see everything before Him - past, present, future? Does He not have perfect knowledge of men’s hearts and their just deserts? Are we more far-sighted, more just, more compassionate than Almighty God Himself?