Did God blame satan for Adam and Eves sin?

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I keep posting things in Catholic spirituality sorry if this isn’t the right place.

On another thread folks are saying people are responsible for their own sin. Ok I agree but sometimes others tempt us and they’re saying “doesn’t matter, they’re not responsible”.

I’m confused. In Genesis 3:14 God states to the tempter serpent “because YOU have done this”. Done what? Caused Adam and Eve to sin. So we have an instance of God Himself assigning blame to the tempter for the sin of another. That’s good enough for me.

Also St. Paul states in 1 Corinthians 8: 13
Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.

Even St. Paul was ok with admitting sometimes human beings can cause other humans to stumble. The fact that eating meat isn’t sinful makes me feel like he would be even more against doing something sinful to cause his brother to stumble. But even that is separate from the fact that St. Paul stated he can tempt someone to stumble and God told satan he caused Adam and Eve to sin.

I’m happy to be corrected that’s why I’m asking because I don’t want to contradict something God says no matter how it makes me feel.

Thanks for your help.
 
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If you behave in a sinful way that causes others to sin, you are at least still guilty of your own sin.

If you are deliberately trying to lure someone else into sinning (as the serpent was), that is itself a sin, of course.

But I don’t believe you should be considered actually responsible for the other person’s choice to sin — especially in cases where you are the victim of that sin, like a burglary victim who left a door unlocked or a rape victim who dressed immodestly or a murder victim who made someone else angry.
 
I understand, but God blamed and punished satan for someone else’s sin. He held him partly responsible.Actually He said “you caused this”.

I don’t think it’s applicable in ALL cases i just want to be clear but the point was it can be applicable to some.
 
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I cannot say with certainty who God blamed according the story, but if we accept that the story is true, I can say without a doubt that we are the ones who ended up paying for it. But for me at least the mystery was best unraveled by Alan Watts, who gave an account of God asking Adam why he had eaten the fruit from the tree, to which Adam likely would have replied :“don’t look at me - Eve told me t eat it.” At which point God would have turned to Eve and asked Eve if she had invited Adam to eat of the fruit of the tree, to which Eve would have replied “don’t look at me - the serpent told me to eat it.” It follows then that God then turned to the serpent and before he could say anything, the serpent just winked at him. Because the serpent knew that a serpent just does what a serpent does, and the serpent does what it does because that is how his maker made him. So, if the story were to be true, it is an account of a sucker punch of immense cruelty. Therefore, I have concluded without the aid of apologetics that the story is simply a story, lest we accept that we are the playthings of something far from benevolent, which is not a happy thing at all to conclude.

All the best!
 
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I was taking into consideration that there are truths to scriptural allegory. In any case there is still the passage of St. paul.
Thank you for your response.
 
He didn’t punish Satan for someone else’s sin. Satan sinned by deceiving Eve.

I wasn’t saying that we cannot cause someone else’s sin. I merely said that we would be fully responsible for tempting someone and that they’re fully responsible if they lust/do whatever sin.

The problem with saying that someone is only 95% responsible of a sin because another person takes on the other 5% for tempting is that it undermines the guy’s capability to avoid sin. Remember sexual desire isn’t sinful, but lust requires intentional dwelling, and a person is able to resist sin when tempted. If a guy is going to be 95% responsible, it would be because he may have a mental condition, or whatever.

But Catholics don’t believe in God punishing someone for someone’s sin (besides original sin, heh). If we get punished it would be because we sinned.
 
Hi Leah, this was a response to a few answers not just yours, however, God did punish satan for their sin very clearly with these words in Genesis
“The woman answered, “The snake tricked me, so I ate it.
14Then the Lord God said to the snake:
Because you have done this,
cursed are you”

I can’t see how that is not obvious to be frank.
 
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It’s the way you phrase this. …

The truth is, it is a sin to cause others to sin (tempt?) and it is a sin to commit sin.

Therefore what Satan did (tempted Eve) and what Adam and Eve did (committed the sin) were sin.

In the incident, sins were committed, which was against God’s commandment, and God saw and treated them as such - sinned. They received the consequences accordingly.
 
Absolutely agree, however what I am seeing clear whether I like it or not is that God told satan after Eve told Him he caused her to sin was “because YOU have done this, cursed are you.”
It’s clear as day the Lord found Satan at least partially culpable (even though reading it looks like full culpability).
 
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NOT true!! It is the INTENT to cause the other
to sin that’s sinful, if you do so w/o that intent,
you MIGHT have to be blamed, but it is a venial
sin.
Satan used Adam and Eve to GET AT Christ, and
therefore God, b/c in his pride, he made them
DISOBEDIENT so as to ENSLAVE them. Jn. 8:34
 
MarthaSo said:
It’s clear as day the Lord found Satan at least partially culpable (even though reading it looks like full culpability).
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No, God found Satan fully culpable — for Satan’s sin. He does not appear to have found him culpable for Adam’s and Eve’s sin. Adam’s and Eve’s sin was disobedience by eating the fruit. Satan’s sin was deliberately tempting them to commit that sin. One well might argue that Satan’s sin was the worse of the three sins committed — because he had full knowledge of what was happening, he was dealing with grave matter, and he fully consented to and intended what was to happen. Adam and Eve, on the other hand, arguably lacked full knowledge and full consent.
 
Right, he found satan fully culpable you’re right, but in the verse do you not see where it can be interpreted that he was fully culpable not just for his but for theirs since God explicitly states “because you have done THIS…” The THIS meaning Adam and Eves sin. I agree Adam and Eve lacked full knowledge but that, in my estimation, is a separate matter.

Is anyone else seeing this too?
 
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His sin is causing the other to sin. That’s what ‘because you have done this’ means. That doesn’t mean that Adam and Eve are somehow less culpable. Again, nobody is saying that Satan didn’t make them sin.
 
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Adam and Eve, on the other hand, arguably lacked full knowledge and full consent.
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As far as I know, that’s incorrect.

1859 Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent . It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God’s law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart133 do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.

 
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But you started out your sentence by saying satans sin caused Adam and Eve to sin.

So if satan didn’t cause them to sin, that equals to Adam and Eve not sinning.

How then can satan not be partially culpable for their sin if there would be no sin without satan?

It seems the verse, in that context, makes more sense.
 
Mark 9:43

“Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea.”

You are correct, it is a sin to deliberately encourage and/or lead others into Sin
 
Thank you, what I was trying to close in on is that although we are responsible for our sin, sometimes other people are too for that same sin ! I don’t believe in the perfect number 100% my sin or yours. Neither do several scripture verses.
 
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yes he did. All three got punished. The punishment of the snake was hardest because two punishments will “only” last until Moshiach comes, but third one will last for all eternity.
  • he lost his feet and had to crawl on his belly
  • he became mans enemy
  • all he eats tastes like sand
    for all eternity, even when Moshiach comes, all he eats will still taste like sand. This is his everlasting curse.
 
A better word would be to tempt. It’s a sin to tempt but Adam and Eve could have chosen not to sin. It was their fault. Fully culpable.

If a woman were to dress immodestly, ‘make’ a man lustful which led him to rape, is she 5% responsible for her rape? Or isn’t she just guilty for immodesty and he’s fully responsible for the rape?

If our sins were written down on a paper, would it be

Lea:
Lying
John’s lust
Gossip

Or

Lea:
Lying
Immodesty
Gossip?
 
Lea101 said:
It’s a sin to tempt but Adam and Eve could have chosen not to sin. It was their fault. Fully culpable.
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It’s also interesting how instead of begging forgiveness they hid and then didn’t accept responsibility.
 
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