Did God Create Hell?

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No We created hell when we refused to turn towards God and separate ourself from him.

Hell is total separation from God. God does not do that, we do it to ourself.:eek:

  1. *]We do not have the power to create as God does.
    *]Hell was already created but for Satan, not us.
    *]We choose to go with Satan to Hell.

    This being said, we don’t create Hell. It was created for Satan but we by sinning decide to go with him.

    By the way, the hell fire is very real.
 
I recently read an interesting statement that said the pains of hell actually assuage the even greater pain of knowing you will never know God. So, the latter pain is the true pain.

Emil
 

  1. *]We do not have the power to create as God does.
    *]Hell was already created but for Satan, not us.
    *]We choose to go with Satan to Hell.

    This being said, we don’t create Hell. It was created for Satan but we by sinning decide to go with him.

    By the way, the hell fire is very real.

  1. According to the CCC to die in mortal sin without repenting an accepting Gods merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by OUR OWN FREE WILL. This state of definitive SELF_EXCLUSION from communion with God and the blessed is called hell.

    So if God gave us the free will to choice him and be with him and have eternal life that equals Heaven.

    In the same token he gives us the free will to turn away from him and have eternal death which is eternal separation from God in whom MAN ALONE can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

    So how can you say that we do not have the power to create our destiny when GOd gave us that Power by giving us free will? ANd while we do not have the power to create everything as GOd does he did give us free will to choice our own destiny. Simply to accept Christ or reject him.

    How can you say that hell was only created for satan if Hell is eternal separation from God. Satan has no power over us, We have free will the same as satan had. Hell is not a place it is eternal death, Eternal death is not choosing God, and rejecting his love, and being separated from him for eternity.

    Could you show me scripture for your teaching?
 
Since God is Spirit heaven is not a place - nor is hell. Jesus used imagery so that everyone can understand His teaching. If His reference to fire was intended to be taken literally we should also cut off our hand if it offends…
Many mystics who have been shown hell would disagree w/ you…
 
Scripture says we knownither the hour nor the day we should follow the advise of our Lord and watch constantly so that when our earthly life is ended we enter into the mariage feast an be number among the blessed, and not like the wicked and slothful servants he ordered to depart into the eternal fire, into the outer darkness where men will weep and gnash their teeth.

To us eternal life is to be in the light.
Eternal death is to be in the darkness.
 
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  1. *]We do not have the power to create as God does.
    ][SIGN]Hell was already created but for Satan, not us.[/SIGN]]We choose to go with Satan to Hell.

    This being said, we don’t create Hell. It was created for Satan but we by sinning decide to go with him.

    By the way, the hell fire is very real.

  1. How do you figure that. God did not create hell just for satan, satan created hell for himself. GOd gave satan as much free will as us, satan used his free will to turn against God.
 
According to the CCC to die in mortal sin without repenting an accepting Gods merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by OUR OWN FREE WILL. This state of definitive SELF_EXCLUSION from communion with God and the blessed is called hell.

So if God gave us the free will to choice him and be with him and have eternal life that equals Heaven.

In the same token he gives us the free will to turn away from him and have eternal death which is eternal separation from God in whom MAN ALONE can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

So how can you say that we do not have the power to create our destiny when GOd gave us that Power by giving us free will? ANd while we do not have the power to create everything as GOd does he did give us free will to choice our own destiny. Simply to accept Christ or reject him.

How can you say that hell was only created for satan if Hell is eternal separation from God. Satan has no power over us, We have free will the same as satan had. Hell is not a place it is eternal death, Eternal death is not choosing God, and rejecting his love, and being separated from him for eternity.

Could you show me scripture for your teaching?
Someone said that we create our own Hell… you know: the place filled with eternal fire,and Is aid that we do not create a place filled with fire, but we choose to go to that place, which will be created.
 
How do you figure that. God did not create hell just for satan, satan created hell for himself. GOd gave satan as much free will as us, satan used his free will to turn against God.
When man was created, Satan already fell. When he fell, God knew he will not come back, so He already made plans for a future Hell, that was originally prepared for Satan and the angels that followed him.
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Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. *~Matthew 25:41
 
I worry about Hell night and day and have almost fallen into despair, although I have repeatedly gone to confession .I worry so much I cannot sleep. Here is my question: I have done many things that disappointed my earthly father, yet he forgave me but he had every reason not to. He still loves me and has never given up on me. The last thing he would want would be for anything bad to happen to me. I am not talking about trivial matters here, this concerns sins I committted that got me imprisoned and caused great embarrassment to my family. Yet now I cannot believe that God loves me as much as my earthly father does. I read the lives of the saints and become more and more discouraged, as even they feel unworthy of God’s love. Why must we live our lives scared to death of a God who supposedly loves us? I am more convinced of the human love that my parents showed me than I am of a God whom I have trouble understanding who seems bent on sending almost everyone to Hell. (by the way, I confessed my sins and have not committed them again.My parish priest told me that I should dismiss these sins from my mind as long as I have the intention of not committing them again. )
Hi ,
Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ according to Saint Luke 5:27-32 :

After this he went out and saw a tax collector named Levi sitting at the customs post. He said to him, “Follow me.” And leaving everything behind, he got up and followed him. Then Levi gave a great banquet for him in his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were at table with them. The Pharisees and their scribes complained to his disciples, saying, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” Jesus said to them in reply, “Those who are healthy do not need a physician, but the sick do. I have not come to call the righteous to repentance but sinners.”

This what I tried to tell you in my first message.
Martha
 
When man was created, Satan already fell. When he fell, God knew he will not come back, so He already made plans for a future Hell, that was originally prepared for Satan and the angels that followed him.
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Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. *~Matthew 25:41
Hi Cristian, and I appreciate you getting back to me on scripture. But I must say I myself am a bit confused on it.

While I agree that the fire is prepared for Satan and the fallen angels I am still not sure that they did not prepare this fire for themself with the works that they have done.

WHile I know hell exists that is Catholic teaching I have not found the church teaching saying God created it yet. BUt its a good point, and I am going to get to the bottom of it. I need to do a little more research.😃

But to date this is what I have found so far, Okay I think that we agree that God created everyhing and everything was good.

So when we choose to sin we know God did no create sin, Man did right? So if man created sin, why could it not be sin that created hell. See what I am saying.

I am going to be busy this weekend but will get back to you early next week. But if I have time, will try to find something else, to see if I am right on this.

ANd you also if you get time, see what else you can find that would prove God did create hell.

But see, I am still seeing it as hell being defined as total separation from God. Now we both know that GOd did not do this we do. So God did indeed created Heaven for us all to be with him in paradise. But I feel that if we do not choose to follow him by our own free will we choice ourself over God and choose a place for ourself to be, to be separated from him which is a place we create for ourself which is hell. 🤷

But we will find the truth. Thats the fun part.😃
 
Someone said that we create our own Hell… you know: the place filled with eternal fire,and Is aid that we do not create a place filled with fire, but we choose to go to that place, which will be created.
Now see I am picking up and agreeing what you are saying here. I agree hell and the fires of hell are us being burned up in the sin we created for ourself.

But I am still not seeing where God created it, I am seeing that we created it for ourself with our sins. And I believe that you are correct we do indeed choose it for ourself because we want nothing to do with God. But who creates it us for ourself, or God. Thats where I am thinking us. Because we created sin, why cant we create hell? :hmmm:
 
Here is one other thing I found.

According to the CCC 1033 It states of course hell is separation from God, we agree on that.

BUt here is something interesting.

Eternal separation is not attributed to GODs Initiave because his merciful Love can only be to desire salvation in the beings he created.

So by what I can understand about that GOd did not make hell Man did.🤷
 
But would be incorrect because God’s justice demands the damnation of those who offend Him, and so God’s justice when His merciful love is refused sends souls to Hell and punishes them with particular punishments suiting to each of their sins.
 
I will also note that people overrate the ‘choice’ aspect of here, as the many who go to Hell are -judged- by God.
 
I will also note that people overrate the ‘choice’ aspect of here, as the many who go to Hell are -judged- by God.
But Shin, I am not clear on what you are saying here. Are you saying God did or did not create hell?
 
Hell is that desire that can never be fulfilled without God’s unconditional love. It can exist here on earth, and the remedy can be applied by Christ Himself through His Church (Sacraments), or can be a permanent state of burning desire ( what Scripture calls Gehenna) in the afterlife. In such a case the remedy cannot be applied because man, through his conscious free choice, has decided to mar his soul with a permanent stamp foreign to God - sin, and has thus forever rejected God (what Jesus called the “unforgivable sin”).
 
Before the resurrection hell needn’t be a place since souls don’t fill space but after the resurrection the bodies must be somewhere. What if after resurrection heaven and hell are the same place but different states? Just a thought. 🙂
 
It is of faith that Heaven exists for the good and Hell for the wicked. Faith teaches that the pains of Hell are eternal, and it also warns us that one single mortal sin suffices to condemn a soul forever because of the infinite malice by which it offends an infinite God.

St. Anthony Mary Claret

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 25:41

If I ascend into heaven, thou art there: if I descend into hell, thou art present.

Psalms 138:8

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly.

And reducing the cities of the Sodomites, and of the Gomorrhites, into ashes, condemned them to be overthrown, making them an example to those that should after act wickedly. And delivered just Lot, oppressed by the injustice and lewd conversation of the wicked. For in sight and hearing he was just: dwelling among them, who from day to day vexed the just soul with unjust works.

The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly from temptation, but to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be tormented. And especially them who walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government, audacious, self willed, they fear not to bring in sects, blaspheming.

2 Peter 2:4-10

"Depart from me, come not near me, because thou art unclean: these shall be smoke in my anger, a fire burning all the day"

Isaias 65:5

For the Lord Almighty will take revenge on them. In the day of judgment he will visit them: for he will give fire and worms into their flesh, that they may burn, and may feel for ever"

Judith 16:20 -21

Oh, what strength has not the fear of Hell to rein us in from sin! To that end has **God created Hell. **He has created us, and redeemed us by His death, that we might be happy with Him; He has imposed upon us the obligation of hoping for eternal life, and on that account encourages us, by saying that all those who hope in Him shall be saved. For none of them that wait on Thee shall be confounded. [Ps. 24:2] On the other hand, it is His wish and command that we should be in fear of eternal damnation. Some heretics hold, that all who are not in sin should consider themselves as assuredly just and predestined; but these have with reason been condemned by the Council of Trent (Sess. 6 can. 14, 15), because such a presumption is as perilous to salvation as fear is conducive to it. And let Him be your dread, and He shall be a sanctification unto you. [Is. 8:13] The holy fear of God makes man holy. Wherefore David begged of God the grace of fear, in order that fear might destroy in him the inclinations of the flesh. *Pierce Thou my flesh with Thy fear. *[Ps. 118:120]

St. Alphonsus Maria de Liguori, Bishop and Doctor of the Church

I looked up in terror and saw in the distance someone racing down the path at an uncontrollable speed. I kept my eyes on him, trying to identify him, and as he got closer, I recognized him as one of my boys. His disheveled hair was partly standing upright on his head and partly tossed back by the wind. His arms were outstretched as though he were thrashing the water in an attempt to stay afloat. He wanted to stop, but could not. Tripping on the protruding stones, he kept falling even faster. “Let’s help him, let’s stop him,” I shouted, holding out my hands in a vain effort to restrain him.

Leave him alone,” the guide replied.

“Why?”

"Don’t you know how terrible God’s vengeance is? Do you think you can restrain one who is fleeing from His just wrath?"

Meanwhile the youth had turned his fiery gaze backward in an attempt to see if God’s wrath were still pursuing him. The next moment he fell tumbling to the bottom of the ravine and crashed against the bronze portal as though he could find no better refuge in his flight.

"Why was he looking backward in terror?" I asked.

**“Because God’s wrath will pierce Hell’s gates to reach and torment him even in the midst of fire!” **

St. John Bosco

A fire is kindled in my wrath, and shall burn even to the lowest hell: and shall devour the earth with her increase, and shall burn the foundations of the mountains.

Deuteronomy 32:22

Where is hell? Some were of opinion that hell is everywhere, that the damned are at liberty to roam about in the entire universe, but that they carry their punishment with them. The adherents of this doctrine were called Ubiquists, or Ubiquitarians; among them were, e.g., Johann Brenz, a Swabian, a Protestant theologian of the sixteenth century. However, that opinion is universally and deservedly rejected; for it is more in keeping with their state of punishment that the damned be limited in their movements and confined to a definite place. Moreover, if hell is a real fire, it cannot be everywhere, especially after the consummation of the world, when heaven and earth shall have been made anew.

Catholic Encyclopedia
 
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