Did God create us (with these physical bodies) for a specific purpose?

[Robert_Sock]

For example, to build and complete the world we are in now? If not, why did God create us with physical bodies instead of glorified bodies right from the start?

Did Adam and Eve have physical or glorified bodies before the fall?

Were Adam and Eve able to conceive children prior to the fall? Will we be able to conceive children when we are given glorified bodies?

“The LORD God made for the man and his wife garments of skin, with which he clothed them.” --Genesis 3:21

Does the above passage suggest that they then became physical beings?

 

[GEddie]

For example, to build and complete the world we are in now? If not, why did God create us with physical bodies instead of glorified bodies right from the start?

Did Adam and Eve have physical or glorified bodies before the fall?

Were Adam and Eve able to conceive children prior to the fall? Will we be able to conceive children when we are given glorified bodies?

“The LORD God made for the man and his wife garments of skin, with which he clothed them.” --Genesis 3:21

Does the above passage suggest that they then became physical beings?

There will be no procreation in the spiritual body. That is probably why we begin as human bodies, as we now know them.

A&E never had immortal or glorified bodies, just natural human nudes. They did not become physical as a result of sin. The bodies were essentially the same as our own.

The luminous nude bodies shown in the film **NOAH **were a studio invention.

Spiritual bodies do not reproduce because that is how biological life bypasses death, and the spiritual body [pneumatikon soma] is death-proof.

ICXC NIKA!

 

[Robert_Sock]

There will be no procreation in the spiritual body. That is probably why we begin as human bodies, as we now know them.

A&E never had immortal or glorified bodies, just natural human nudes. They did not become physical as a result of sin. The bodies were essentially the same as our own.

The luminous nude bodies shown in the film **NOAH **were a studio invention.

Spiritual bodies do not reproduce because that is how biological life bypasses death, and the spiritual body [pneumatikon soma] is death-proof.

ICXC NIKA!

What’s bothering me a lot is wondering why God created us physically, and whether or not it was for a specific purpose, such as bringing our physical world to its completion? I also get a little suspicious why God created us with bi-cameral brains, one side said to be male and the other side female (literally, two brains that interact with each other)? In the book of Genesis it clearly states the God created us male and female, and so I also have to wonder if that may be in reference to our having two brains?

Many today would likely say that that’s how we evolved, but I do not buy into evolution.

 

[GEddie]

What’s bothering me a lot is wondering why God created us physically, and whether or not it was for a specific purpose, such as bringing our physical world to its completion? I also get a little suspicious why God created us with bi-cameral brains, one side said to be male and the other side female (literally, two brains that interact with each other)? In the book of Genesis it clearly states the God created us male and female, and so I also have to wonder if that may be in reference to our having two brains?

Many today would likely say that that’s how we evolved, but I do not buy into evolution.

We disagree over evolution, which is fine, as few things interest me less. (I thought the topic was still banned here anyways.)

Yes, the human brain is bicameral. I don’t believe that male/female has any connection to that. Such an idea, it seems to me, arises not from human neuroanatomy or even evolution, but from the alternate-sexuality crowd who insist that a male body can have a female brain, or inversely.

If you are male (have a male body), then both sides of your head are male.

ICXC NIKA

 

[joeybaggz]

We disagree over evolution, which is fine, as few things interest me less. (I thought the topic was still banned here anyways.)

This may not belong in this thread; actually it may not even belong on CAF if as you say, discussion of evolution is banned. And, I’m not sure it has to do with the OP’s original question. But I have to ask it and if a moderator wishes to remove it or suggest it be made a new thread, please let me know. But my question for you Geddie is this.

Cain slays Abel. The Lord sees this and puts a mark on Cain. Cain then leaves the presence of the Lord and settles in the land of Nod.

Next verse, “Cain had relations with his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch.” Someone please tell me where this wife came from. Because all I know is that Adam had three sons, Cain, Abel, and Seth. No daughters that I know of. And if A&E were the first two human beings, did Cain marry an animal?

I’m confused.

Shalom

 

[Robert_Sock]

We disagree over evolution, which is fine, as few things interest me less. (I thought the topic was still banned here anyways.)

Yes, the human brain is bicameral. I don’t believe that male/female has any connection to that. Such an idea, it seems to me, arises not from human neuroanatomy or even evolution, but from the alternate-sexuality crowd who insist that a male body can have a female brain, or inversely.

If you are male (have a male body), then both sides of your head are male.

ICXC NIKA

As a psychologist, most of us agree that the right side of the brain tends to elicit feminine traits while the masculine, left part of the brain tends to elicit masculine traits. A quick search on Google will tend to support this theory.

Note that I never meant to discuss evolution, but merely referred to it to make a point. I just did a search on banned topics and evolution did not come up.

 

[STT]

For example, to build and complete the world we are in now? If not, why did God create us with physical bodies instead of glorified bodies right from the start?

Did Adam and Eve have physical or glorified bodies before the fall?

The problem is that God cannot create an imperfect being knowing that he commits evil. He is responsible for evil. Therefore we are not created since we are imperfect.

 

[undead_rat]

The human body is a prison for the soul. While it is possible to leave by committing suicide, the religious are forbidden that route. That prison seems to suit our Creator’s purposes for our souls, and we must accept whatever trials He sends our way.

Think of Jesus in the hours before His arrest. He wanted to be free of His human body which was destined for death by torture. I think that He could have caused His soul to leave at any time, but He chose to accept His very severe trial in order to complete His teaching.

As to our Creator’s purpose in imprisoning our souls in human bodies, in my opinion it is to make possible the repentance of a soul which has rebelled against Him (unless, of course, that soul was sent here for the specific purpose to teaching mankind.)

 

[setarcos]

Physicality is part of what makes us human. It’s clear from genesis that God intended what we were created to be to include our physical nature. Eden was a physical place on a physical world including physical flora and fauna and physical phenomena and God called it good. Remove our physical natures and you remove our humanity. We were meant to be physical creatures. The body is no more a prison to the soul than Satan’s pure spirituality caused his fall. Adam and Eve’s bodies didn’t cause their transgressions it was arguably caused by their spirit as the animating principle of their actions.

 

[ANV]

To suffer.

 

[Robert_Sock]

To suffer.

"The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, ‘Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!’ (Ps. 119:5)… He ceases not to ask with the Apostle’… Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (Rom. 7:24)”
-The Golden Key to Heaven, by Saint Anthony Mary Claret

Yes, I’m still looking forward to death, although I’m not suicidal.

 

[setarcos]

To suffer.

?? Adam and Eve weren’t suffering until after the fall on the other hand spiritual creatures can suffer as well. Suffering is not specific to the physical body. People…always thinking the grass is greener in another pasture. You were created to be HUMAN. God called it good.

 

[setarcos]

"The death of the just: Death will reach everyone, the good and the bad; but the destiny of each one is quite different. The just man sees himself in this valley of tears as a prisoner, serving a very hard term. He considers himself a slave in this world, suffering an extremely distressing servitude. He regards himself a sailor caught in a horrible storm. And as death means an end of his confinement, an end of his slavery, and is the port of his salvation, he ceases not to cry with David, ‘Woe is me that my sojourning is prolonged!’ (Ps. 119:5)… He ceases not to ask with the Apostle’… Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (Rom. 7:24)”
-The Golden Key to Heaven, by Saint Anthony Mary Claret

Yes, I’m still looking forward to death, although I’m not suicidal.

Christ came to save HUMANITY. The transgression against God was perpetrated by HUMANS. It is HUMANS that need redeemed in Gods eyes so that as HUMANS we can return to what we were created to be…PERFECT HUMANS. If I lose my physicality I am no longer HUMAN and in need of the redemption that was given for HUMANITY. I would be a different creature. Ask yourself what would be the difference in the end between a creature created non human and a creature made non human? Nothing, nadda, zilch, both would be non human and neither would need the salvation that humans require. Unless you believe our salvation stems from God removing our humanity and making us some other creature that needs no salvation, rendering Christ’s sacrifice meaningless, we must retain our physicality and saving grace even after salvation in order to be saved. We must remain HUMAN.

 

[GLam8833]

Christ came to save HUMANITY. The transgression against God was perpetrated by HUMANS. It is HUMANS that need redeemed in Gods eyes so that as HUMANS we can return to what we were created to be…PERFECT HUMANS. If I lose my physicality I am no longer HUMAN and in need of the redemption that was given for HUMANITY. I would be a different creature. Ask yourself what would be the difference in the end between a creature created non human and a creature made non human? Nothing, nadda, zilch, both would be non human and neither would need the salvation that humans require. Unless you believe our salvation stems from God removing our humanity and making us some other creature that needs no salvation, rendering Christ’s sacrifice meaningless, we must retain our physicality and saving grace even after salvation in order to be saved. We must remain HUMAN.

God created us IN HIS IMAGE, perhaps spiritual, perhaps glorified,
but after the Fall, His will is that we be made IN CHRIST’S IMAGE
See Romans 8:29, only then will we be allowed into His Presence.
The Bible is silent as to whether Adam and Eve were actually
physical beings when they “walked w/ God in the Garden”, but
as Paul says: “there is a physical being, and there is a spiritual
being… as we have borne the likeness of Adam, let us bear the
likeness of Christ” See1 Cor. 15:47-49

 

[setarcos]

God created us IN HIS IMAGE, perhaps spiritual, perhaps glorified,
but after the Fall, His will is that we be made IN CHRIST’S IMAGE
See Romans 8:29, only then will we be allowed into His Presence.
The Bible is silent as to whether Adam and Eve were actually
physical beings when they “walked w/ God in the Garden”, but
as Paul says: “there is a physical being, and there is a spiritual
being… as we have borne the likeness of Adam, let us bear the
likeness of Christ” See1 Cor. 15:47-49

I suspect the image we were created has to do with our self awareness. If your contention is that we were not originally created physical creatures in a physical garden then you aren’t holding to Catholic or Protestant belief. If you haven’t gotten a sense of our creation in physical bodies from reading Genesis then your really stretching credulity and ignoring many passages. For instance Genesis 2:7 in which the material out of which God made man is physical, the home into which God placed man is physical, the rib from which eve was made indicates again a physical process of creating a physical creature, etc… Reread genesis. The question remains though, if we do not retain our physical natures in some manner - which makes us human- and humanity is what Christ’s salvation was for then how does our changing into another creature not make Christ’s salvation meaningless since what Christ redeemed would no longer exist? It would be like an environmentalist getting laws passed to save a particular frog from extinction but then changing the frog through genetic manipulation into some other species. What would be the point of passing the laws for the frog? Its gone anyway.

 

[GLam8833]

I suspect the image we were created has to do with our self awareness. If your contention is that we were not originally created physical creatures in a physical garden then you aren’t holding to Catholic or Protestant belief. If you haven’t gotten a sense of our creation in physical bodies from reading Genesis then your really stretching credulity and ignoring many passages. For instance Genesis 2:7 in which the material out of which God made man is physical, the home into which God placed man is physical, the rib from which eve was made indicates again a physical process of creating a physical creature, etc… Reread genesis. The question remains though, if we do not retain our physical natures in some manner - which makes us human- and humanity is what Christ’s salvation was for then how does our changing into another creature not make Christ’s salvation meaningless since what Christ redeemed would no longer exist? It would be like an environmentalist getting laws passed to save a particular frog from extinction but then changing the frog through genetic manipulation into some other species. What would be the point of passing the laws for the frog? Its gone anyway.

Thanx, I stand corrected.

 

[GEddie]

The human body is **not **a prison for the soul.

Try spending some time bound and blindfolded if you think otherwise. Nietzsche was right on this one. “Despising of the body” is alive and well.

ICXC NIKA

 

[setarcos]

Thanx, I stand corrected.

Not a problem, that’s what we’re here for, to reason together. Sometime perhaps you can do me a favor and correct an error I make.

 

[Robert_Sock]

The human body is **not **a prison for the soul.

Try spending some time bound and blindfolded if you think otherwise. Nietzsche was right on this one. “Despising of the body” is alive and well.

ICXC NIKA

From what I gather, the soul wants to be reunited with God, from which it came, but it cannot because it’s contained within the body.

Please explain why Saint Paul says: “Miserable one that I am! Who will deliver me from this mortal body?” (Rom. 7:24)

Like with Saint Paul, I ask the same question of myself.

There are many who love this miserable and corrupt physical life to the degree they care nothing about God’s Heavenly Kingdom! Tell me please, where would you rather be?

 

[davidv]

From what I gather, the soul wants to be reunited with God, from which it came, but it cannot because it’s contained within the body.

Please explain why Saint Paul says: “Miserable one that I am! Who will deliver me from this mortal body?” (Rom. 7:24)

Like with Saint Paul, I ask the same question of myself.

There are many who love this miserable and corrupt physical life to the degree they care nothing about God’s Heavenly Kingdom! Tell me please, where would you rather be?

I think you are inappropriately separating the soul from the person. The person is a unity of body and soul.

365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.