Did God the Father Suffer?

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OK, there are several meanings of ‘mental’, when used as an obverse of ‘physical.’

For example, some time back the Kansas legislature passed a law limiting late term abortions to cases wherein the abortion was necessary to (a) to preserve the life of the women or (b) if continuance of pregnancy would cause ‘substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function.

Now if I recall correctly, there was a court challenge as to whether the above included a mental health exception. The court ruled that certainly ‘major bodily function’ includes mental health. (Which was probably not the intent of the legislature.)

But this is not an abortion thread. My point is that in scientific (and legal) circles, mental is not separate from bodily, but a part of it.

Now, from a philosophical point of view, I partially agree and partially disagree.

Since a human being is composed of body and soul, and the soul is not material, the soul does have some ‘non-bodily’ functions—namely intellect and will.

Intellect, as a spiritual faculty of the soul, has the ability, you might say, to suck out all the matter from our sense experiences, leaving only the essence, or abstract idea. Now that’s a mental function.

Imagination can accompany the intellect, by supplying ‘mental’ images, sounds, and such; but those are really physical components. You could affect them by probing someone’s brain or providing an electrical stimulus to certain parts of it. Dreams result from activities within the brain, not the intellect.

Now, God doesn’t have a brain—only an intellect. There is no sensory (name removed by moderator)ut, no hormones, no chemicals, no changes in respiration, no dreams.

And I’ll stop there before God gets mad at me. But he wouldn’t do that.
 
Well that is about the limit of my Psycology education. Could you at least cite CCC so we could put this to rest? Thanks and God bless.
 
Montie Claunch:
Well that is about the limit of my Psycology education. Could you at least cite CCC so we could put this to rest? Thanks and God bless.
A Catechism is a “summary of doctrine,” and does not intend to be an exhaustive treatment of doctrine.

Nonetheless, the CCC states…
625 Christ’s stay in the tomb constitutes the real link between his passible state before Easter and his glorious and risen state today.
It implies that after Easter, Christ was impassible. Other than that, the current CCC does not discuss the issue.

The Catechism of Trent , issued by order of Pope Pius V more explicitly stated of Christ’s Divine nature and human nature,
what was passible and mortal remained passible and mortal; while what was impassible and immortal, that is, His Divine Nature, continued impassible and immortal.
The distinction of the passible human nature and the impassible Divine nature was also held by St. Leo the Great (Letter 28, 3-4), Pius XII (Sempiternums Rex Christus), and John XXIII (Aeterna Dei Sapientia).
 
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That’s called Patripassianism and it has been condemned by the Church.
is it heretical or not?
 
I believe the doctrine that the Divine nature is impassible is de fide catholica by virtue of the constant teaching of the authentic ordinary universal magisterium. It does not appear to have ever been taught otherwise by the authentic magisterium in over 2000 years. If de fide, then the opposite view is heretical. If not de fide, it is at least official doctrine to which Catholics owe their religious submission of intellect and will.
 
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I believe the doctrine that the Divine nature is impassible is de fide catholica by virtue of the constant teaching of the authentic ordinary universal magisterium. It does not appear to have ever been taught otherwise by the authentic magisterium in over 2000 years. If de fide, then the opposite view is heretical. If not de fide, it is at least official doctrine to which Catholics owe their religious submission of intellect and will.
:confused: Please rephrase.
 
Montie Claunch said:
:confused: Please rephrase.

In my opinion, the proposition that God should suffer in his Divine nature is heretical. Nonetheless, I’m just dave, and not the pope. Yet, I’ve studied Catholicism enough to discern that I ought to avoid dissent with that which is taught by the authentic magisterium over many centuries.
 
Even God the Son did not suffer IN HIS DIVINE NATURE. God suffered in His human nature, but that human nature was only united to the Second Person.
 
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