Did Hitler disprove faith alone (and you can never lose your salvation)?

[JonNC]

Yes, the CC teaches that and I believe it.

But as a suspectful protestant, that’s not how it is viewed. True encounters with Christ are through asking him to be your personal Lord and Savior. What the CC was doing looked like man made rituals to us.

And, of course, the view of sacraments you’ve presented is entirely opposite of what I would say. And even to say “ask Him” or “accept Him” sounds foreign. " Receive Him" .
Receive Him in Baptism, in the Eucharist, receive absolution. Etc

 

[Lenten_ashes]

And, of course, the view of sacraments you’ve presented is entirely opposite of what I would say. And even to say “ask Him” or “accept Him” sounds foreign. " Receive Him" .
Receive Him in Baptism, in the Eucharist, receive absolution. Etc

Lutherans and Anglicans(some anyway) are few exceptions.

 

[LtTony]

Hitler was baptized and received Holy communion. This means he accepted (or at least appeared to accept) Jesus as his lord and savior.

So according to “once saved always saved”, hitler must have gone to heaven regardless of what he did during WW2.

Is this a good argument to use against people who claim “once saved always saved”?

I looked into all the “Hitler was a Christian/Catholic” rhetoric a few years ago when debating anti-Catholics and Islamists. Hitler was a born Catholic. He was likely baptized, but I don’t recall seeing anything about communion or confirmation. I couldn’t find any record of him attending a Mass as an adult.
His public comments certainly didn’t present him as a practicing Christian. He never proclaimed to believe in Christ. Some of his comments belittled religion, although some leaned on religion to advance his racist theories and policies. Generally speaking, the whole of any comments relating to religion is confusing, contradictory; there are myths out there that are presented as fact, and it’s difficult to separate them.
As far as OSAS, as I indicated, he never made a public confession of faith, so that rules him out. I think those believers would say even if he had, his heinous behavior would demonstrate that he actually wasn’t really saved, that he never was reborn/changed. I think that’s the reply when critics claim OSAS theology gives those believers carte blanche to sin at will.

No, it is not a good argument. Hitler was baptized Catholic, but left the Faith. OSAS supporters would say he never really accepted Christ, especially since he was once Catholic, so he does not fall under that criterion. When (or if) he received First Communion, it would have been as a young child anyway, not really a voluntary decision for Christ, in their eyes.

I believe that is correct.

So I’m curious if Catholics claim him as one of your own. I assume (or at least I have read) that he went to Mass at times and he was in communication with the Vatican. There were certainly priests who were supporters. Is he still seen as Catholic? (I’m not trying to say anything at all about his horrific actions, but rather his membership in the RCC.) Same goes for Mussolini. He was baptized, married and buried in the Church. Admittedly, it was a rocky relationship from the beginning, but it seems as if it was one in good standing, as it were.

Once Catholic, always Catholic? Sy Noe, this is your terrain.

No.

I’m curious if Catholics claim him as one of your own.

Oh, absolutely.
LOL. Come on.

I don’t recall any evidence of him going to church or him having any personal communication with the Vatican. I’d like to see the sources on that.
Hitler obviously (and sadly) had MANY Christian supporters, of all denominations.
I think it would be fair to say he was born into a Catholic family (because it is true). But I wouldn’t call him Catholic or Christian.

 

[Vico]

I looked into all the “Hitler was a Christian/Catholic” rhetoric a few years ago when debating anti-Catholics and Islamists. Hitler was a born Catholic. He was likely baptized, but I don’t recall seeing anything about communion or confirmation. I couldn’t find any record of him attending a Mass as an adult.
His public comments certainly didn’t present him as a practicing Christian. He never proclaimed to believe in Christ. Some of his comments belittled religion, although some leaned on religion to advance his racist theories and policies. Generally speaking, the whole of any comments relating to religion is confusing, contradictory; there are myths out there that are presented as fact, and it’s difficult to separate them.
As far as OSAS, as I indicated, he never made a public confession of faith, so that rules him out. I think those believers would say even if he had, his heinous behavior would demonstrate that he actually wasn’t really saved, that he never was reborn/changed. I think that’s the reply when critics claim OSAS theology gives those believers carte blanche to sin at will.

I believe that is correct.

No.

I’m curious if Catholics claim him as one of your own.

Oh, absolutely.
LOL. Come on.

I don’t recall any evidence of him going to church or him having any personal communication with the Vatican. I’d like to see the sources on that.
Hitler obviously (and sadly) had MANY Christian supporters, of all denominations.
I think it would be fair to say he was born into a Catholic family (because it is true). But I wouldn’t call him Catholic or Christian.

At Whitsuntide 1904 the pubescent Hitler, who still did not want to study, was confirmed at the Linz Cathedral. … His godfather would later say " … I had the impression that he found the entire confirmation disgusting."

Hitler’s Vienna: A Portrait of the Tyrant as a Young Man, By Brigitte Hamann, p. 19.
ISBN: 9781848852778, Publication Date: 29 Jun 2010

 

[GKC]

At Whitsuntide 1904 the pubescent Hitler, who still did not want to study, was confirmed at the Linz Cathedral. … His godfather would later say " … I had the impression that he found the entire confirmation disgusting."

Hitler’s Vienna: A Portrait of the Tyrant as a Young Man, By Brigitte Hamann, p. 19.

Same info, more detail, in John Toland’s Hitler bio, p. 22, pb ed. Source given as HITLER’S YOUTH/Franz Jetzinger, pp. 74-75.