Did Hitler see God?

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Let’s continue the assumption that Hitler went to hell.

We only see the beatific vision when we are in Heaven but Hitler must have been judged before being sent to hell.

He must have stood before God to hear his condemnation.

Would God be a magnificent light instead of the beatific vision?

Where would this take place?

Thanks.
 
I don’t see why anyone would formally have to hear his condemnation then. People hear their formal condemnation though at the general judgement at the end of the world from Jesus, according the the Gospels. Jesus could appear in human form, assuming on the spiritual level that such “seeing” makes sense then. I would think the arena of this judgement is far beyond our knowledge.
The Church has never declared anyone is in hell. If we say someone is in hell, this is our own judgment. However I prefer myself not to make such judgements, which I think is proper only for God to make, no matter how much any of us dislike someone.
Nelka said:
Let’s continue the assumption that Hitler went to hell.

We only see the beatific vision when we are in Heaven but Hitler must have been judged before being sent to hell.

He must have stood before God to hear his condemnation.

Would God be a magnificent light instead of the beatific vision?

Where would this take place?

Thanks.
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Nelka said:
Let’s continue the assumption that Hitler went to hell.

We only see the beatific vision when we are in Heaven but Hitler must have been judged before being sent to hell.

He must have stood before God to hear his condemnation.

Would God be a magnificent light instead of the beatific vision?

Where would this take place?

Thanks.
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We will be judged by Christ, the second person of the Trinity.
We will see Him and his appearance, His countinance will reflect our own judgement.
For those who have fully embraced evil, His countinance will be hard and fearsome.
For those who have fully embraced love, His countinence wil be beautiful and gentle.
For those who have imperfectly ebraced love and yet seek his mercy, His countinence will be gentle and merciful.

Exactly “where” I cannot say. but it will occur immediately upon death.

Note the above is my understandings of the writings of St Catherine of Sienna and as such are “Private revelation”. However, I feel this view is quite good and logical.

Peace
James
 
every person who dies sees God or confronts God and is given all the knowledge of God and of the consequences of his choice and asked to choose God or abandon God for all eternity. The beatific vision is reserved for those who choose heaven with God. If Hitler or anyone else is in hell, they saw God at the moment of death and in full free will knowledge chose to cling to their sins and reject God, knowing it was for eternity.
 
JRKH said:
We will be judged by Christ, the second person of the Trinity.
We will see Him and his appearance, His countinance will reflect our own judgement.
For those who have fully embraced evil, His countinance will be hard and fearsome.
For those who have fully embraced love, His countinence wil be beautiful and gentle.
For those who have imperfectly ebraced love and yet seek his mercy, His countinence will be gentle and merciful.

Exactly “where” I cannot say. but it will occur immediately upon death.

Note the above is my understandings of the writings of St Catherine of Sienna and as such are “Private revelation”. However, I feel this view is quite good and logical.

Peace
James
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I believe that St. Catherine is describing the general judgment which takes place at the end of the world.

During the particular judgment, which takes place after a person’s death, God communicates with us, but we do not see Him.
 
some would say that its the sight of the beatific vision that drives the evil to Hell as they strive to get as far away as possible from it as it becomes so painfull for them. :eek:
 
MtnDwellar said:
I believe that St. Catherine is describing the general judgment which takes place at the end of the world.

During the particular judgment, which takes place after a person’s death, God communicates with us, but we do not see Him.
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You may be right. The portion of St Catherine’s dialogues that I was thinking of is HERE (and in particular starting with para 6) and it does not speak of seeing God.
If you would, could you point me toward the portion speaking of seeing God at the general Judgement?
Thanks…

Peace
James
 
We will see God either at the Particular Judgment if we go immediately to heaven, after our stay in Purgatory or at the General Judgment at the end of time. At that time **all **will see God and be separated as the sheep and the goats and all who chose to remain separated from God during this life will remain in an eternal separation. And that is hell… teachccd (see Matthew 25: 31-46)
 
Two judgements.

Why would you need a particular judgement and one at the end?

If your particular judgement sent you to hell or heaven the judgement at the end wouldn’t change either of these.

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Nelka said:
Two judgements.

Why would you need a particular judgement and one at the end?

If your particular judgement sent you to hell or heaven the judgement at the end wouldn’t change either of these.

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The Particular Judgement declares your fate to you. General Judgement declares it to all.
 
JRKH said:
You may be right. The portion of St Catherine’s dialogues that I was thinking of is HERE (and in particular starting with para 6) and it does not speak of seeing God.
If you would, could you point me toward the portion speaking of seeing God at the general Judgement?
Thanks…

Peace
James
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I could be wrong, but the teaching is all are present. I was thinking “all” includes God. Thinking about it further - probably not. 🤷
 
MtnDwellar said:
I could be wrong, but the teaching is all are present. I was thinking “all” includes God. Thinking about it further - probably not. 🤷
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I guess that I need to get back to reading the Dialogues…🤷

Peace
James
 
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