Did irenaeus teach that mary sinned?

[6glargento]

i was reading “faith of the early fathers” by jurgens and i came across something interesting by irenaeus. In his speach about how mary is like the new eve he said:

“Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.”

does this mean that mary sinned, and needed salvation?

I know the catholic argument to “my soul rejoices in God my savior” is that God saved mary by preserving her from all sin, can the same argument be used here?

 

[Fidelis]

i was reading “faith of the early fathers” by jurgens and i came across something interesting by irenaeus. In his speach about how mary is like the new eve he said:

“Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.”

does this mean that mary sinned, and needed salvation?

I know the catholic argument to “my soul rejoices in God my savior” is that God saved mary by preserving her from all sin, can the same argument be used here?

I suppose you could, but I don’t see how the Irenaeus quote implies that Mary commited actual sins.

 

[kleary]

i was reading “faith of the early fathers” by jurgens and i came across something interesting by irenaeus. In his speach about how mary is like the new eve he said:

“Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.”

does this mean that mary sinned, and needed salvation?

No. Mary did need “Salvation” as all humans do. “Salvation” however was applied to her at the moment of her conception.

Ken

 

[Pryority7]

i was reading “faith of the early fathers” by jurgens and i came across something interesting by irenaeus. In his speach about how mary is like the new eve he said:

“Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race.”

does this mean that mary sinned, and needed salvation?

I know the catholic argument to “my soul rejoices in God my savior” is that God saved mary by preserving her from all sin, can the same argument be used here?

Of course Mary didn’t sin. She, at the moment of her conception, was prevented from contracting the state of original sin that you and I contracted at our conception. She was delivered by God her Savior in a way that parallels God cleansing us from original sin when we are baptized. God did the saving, as He always does, and Mary never sinned, but God is still her Savior.

Get it?
P7

 

[VociMike]

does this mean that mary sinned, and needed salvation?

Does a newborn baby need salvation? Does that mean the newborn baby has sinned?