Did Islam, Rome, Christianity or Freemasonry create the concept of 'culture war'?

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I’m just wondering why and when cultures began the practice of swallowing-up one another? I know that throughout history there have been many wars between various cultures and nations, but the purpose for conquering another nation or what have you would most likely have been to confiscate land or other assets in order to survive. Or perhaps the abduction of slaves would likely have been another reason. During missions such as that there would have been a great need for UNITY, in order to accomplish such a mission.

But what could have triggered the concept of Culture Wars, and what causes people to want to influence others in the first place with no real desire for anything more than mere control. Does this concept derive from the supernatural, or is it a reflection of human instinct gone mad?

To begin this conversation, I’d like to highlight 4 possibilities that come to mind right off the top. Rome, Islam, Christianity and Freemasonry. Could any of these cultures be responsible for initiating the concept of Culture Wars? Perhaps it goes deeper into history -maybe Persia, Greece or even Egypt? I know Alexander the Great conquered Egypt and actually became Pharoh for a number of years, but I’m not sure as to WHY? :confused:

Any ideas?
 
…the reason I ask is partly because I’ve noticed that there are a lot of Catholics who work really hard in Apologetics in order to convince people to join the Catholic Culture which is more than a Faith in fact it’s a lifestyle. I know that the Jews didn’t do that, but I know that Islam did it very much, in fact often by force… Then I think the Catholic Church copied that and started doing it too… Now we do it in a more mild fashion. :o

So I think Islam started Culture Wars.

…but why also did Rome take over so much Europe?:confused:
 
Not sure what you mean by “culture war” - are you referring to colonialism?
 
What you are referring does not seem to be what is commonly referred to as a “culture war.” The so-called “war on women” is a culture war. The “war on marriage” is a culture war.

Culture wars are conflicts over values. They’ve been happening for a long time. Christianity attempts to convert people because it advocates the loving of one’s neighbor, and if you love your neighbor but are worried that your neighbor’s soul is at risk because they do not have the truth, then you attempt to convert them, to show them the truth.

In general, culture wars occur when one culture makes a truth claim and believes that the truth claim has moral implications, ie. if someone else does not believe it or adhere to it, it’s bad.
 
the answer to your question is very complex. first of all, cultures have been attempting to vanquish other cultures for as long as humanity has been around. if you control someone’s beliefs and core values, then you own them. they will die for you if they believe in you. so there is much political motivation for philosophical control and cultural prosyletizing. governments will use religion in order to gain control over a people and the geographical area that they live in.

religious people, however, attempt to make converts because they believe their religion to be true. they do not have the same motivation as governments. to me, truth is very important. i want the truth, no matter how ugly it is. i believe that christianity is true, and christianity teaches to spread the good news of God’s salvation to all nations. if Jesus truly saved the world, wouldn’t this piece of knowledge be worth spreading/knowing? truth is important. people attempt to spread their beliefs and cultural values because they believe them to be true.
 
…the reason I ask is partly because I’ve noticed that there are a lot of Catholics who work really hard in Apologetics in order to convince people to join the Catholic Culture which is more than a Faith in fact it’s a lifestyle. I know that the Jews didn’t do that, but I know that Islam did it very much, in fact often by force… Then I think the Catholic Church copied that and started doing it too… Now we do it in a more mild fashion. :o

So I think Islam started Culture Wars.

…but why also did Rome take over so much Europe?:confused:
I think you may be mixing the ideas of conquest and evangelization on basic conceptual level, and that this may be skewing how you see things.

To be sure, it doesn’t help that humans occasionally try to mix conquest and evangelization, but neither is a core part of the other. One of the key reasons why (very annoying and ignorant [rant truncated]) people accuse Christianity of being pagan is precisely because it didn’t (with some exceptions that we generally say were badly handled) seek to eradicate what it found good where it went, and so didn’t bother to try to eradicate all the symbolism that pagans already had.

We did, of course, try to convince them of the truth that they didn’t have and in the process eradicated many parts of their culture that were contrary to truth and goodness, which is why druids don’t wrap people’s guts around trees anymore, but the purpose was never to make them exact copies of us, only to show the truth and to try to convince them to act in accord with it.

Conquest is a whole different matter, but is complicated by the fact that human can lie to himself and tell himself that he wants to bring the truth to these people when what he really wants is to kill them and take all their stuff.

Islam had the two mixed at the start, but Catholicism had been spreading since before then, so our spreadingness wasn’t copied from Islam. Whether or not we got some bad ideas for some of our mistakes from them I don’t know.

But as a rule, the spread of truth does not have to be about control and the swallowing up of other cultures.

(As a last comment, Rome took over all of Europe because they felt like it, and then when Rome committed suicide, Christianity propped up the pieces that were left.)
 
Not sure what you mean by “culture war” - are you referring to colonialism?
I see colonialism as more of an expansion exercise which neglected other cultures for personal gain -a change in culture would not have been a primary goal.

A “Culture War” is an action carried out by a group intended specifically to alter the social and traditional norms of others from outside that group possibly as some sort of favor.

The best way to describe a Culture War (or what I think is called culture war) is by using examples.

–The French Revolution: A period of radical social and political upheaval in France that had a lasting impact on French history. The new principles of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity expressed the new “Enlightenment ideals”.

–Romanization: the conquest of neighboring European civilizations by the Roman Empire which commonly occurred voluntarily offered little benefit to Rome itself. Romanization is known for its rejection of “apartheid” and offered full citizenship with equal rights to its subjects no different than the rights of a Roman born citizen… All one needed to do was to adopt Roman customs.

–Islamic Conquests: Conversion to the faith or Allegiance to Islam was a requirement for all subjects during conquests. All one needed to do was to accept Islamic law and worship Allah. Zoroastrianism and countless Pagan religions were replaced by a new religion.

–The Crusades: …We all know how the story goes.;). In any case, whole societies were changed forever by accepting Christian faith and morals, paganism was replaced.

…I’m sure there are numerous reasons why a smaller, weaker more corrupt culture might be happy to join a larger stronger and (possibly) more just culture -but my question is to understand why the dominant cultures choose to take-in other cultures? There have been, after all, countless other cultures that did not practice this at all.

I know this might be kind of a strange question.😊
 
so there is much political motivation for philosophical control and cultural prosyletizing. governments will use religion in order to gain control over a people and the geographical area that they live in.

religious people, however, attempt to make converts because they believe their religion to be true. they do not have the same motivation as governments.
Good distinction.👍
I see colonialism as more of an expansion exercise which neglected other cultures for personal gain -a change in culture would not have been a primary goal.

A “Culture War” is an action carried out by a group intended specifically to alter the social and traditional norms of others from outside that group possibly as some sort of favor.
That’s the way I would define colonialism as well. I agree partly with your definition of “culture war” as it pertains to the deliberate efforts to alter traditional norms. I don’t view it as being carried out as any sort of favor to the people, though - I think the changes are always *presented *as positive ideals, but often with the knowledge by those who introduce them that the changes suggested are more to break down certain characteristics that unify a culture so as to be able to ascend above it and gain control. Divide and conquer. Culture wars can be perpetrated by people who lie on the boundaries of the dominant culture, and who enlist either self-serving or gullible people within it to help spread the seeds of change.

I have some difficulty applying this theory when discussing historic events, though; my mind makes the correlation to our modern culture wars, with which I’m more familiar, so I may fall into the error of attributing the same intentions I see in current trends to situations and people that were vastly different.
The best way to describe a Culture War (or what I think is called culture war) is by using examples.

–The French Revolution: A period of radical social and political upheaval in France that had a lasting impact on French history. The new principles of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity expressed the new “Enlightenment ideals”.
Culture war, I would presume. Interesting to study the link between anarchists and freemasonry during this period.
–Romanization: the conquest of neighboring European civilizations by the Roman Empire which commonly occurred voluntarily offered little benefit to Rome itself. Romanization is known for its rejection of “apartheid” and offered full citizenship with equal rights to its subjects no different than the rights of a Roman born citizen… All one needed to do was to adopt Roman customs.
I think we agree. The will of ancient Rome was a military and expansionist one. But I would guess that any cultural changes that came as a result of Roman domination were a by-product of it (eliminating Roman intent). Could be wrong about this, though.
–Islamic Conquests: Conversion to the faith or Allegiance to Islam was a requirement for all subjects during conquests. All one needed to do was to accept Islamic law and worship Allah. Zoroastrianism and countless Pagan religions were replaced by a new religion.
Similar to Rome, but with a greater focus on conversion, perhaps?
–The Crusades: …We all know how the story goes.;). In any case, whole societies were changed forever by accepting Christian faith and morals, paganism was replaced.
I’m not knowledgeable enough with regard to the Crusades to opine assertively. I’m more familiar with the “reclaiming” of land than an intent to evangelize. Where was paganism replaced (in significant numbers)?
…I’m sure there are numerous reasons why a smaller, weaker more corrupt culture might be happy to join a larger stronger and (possibly) more just culture -but my question is to understand why the dominant cultures choose to take-in other cultures? There have been, after all, countless other cultures that did not practice this at all.
The “smart” cultures do not willingly take in other cultures - if they have an interest in preserving their own, that is.😉 Or, maybe I should amend that to say that they will not take in other cultures in large numbers. Sometimes they are tricked; sometimes they are seduced by ideas they don’t realize are harmful until it’s too late. Sometimes the dominant culture does **not **make the choice - the choice is made by its leaders who profit from it, regardless of the wishes of the masses. Sometimes, the dominant cultures don’t really have a choice if they are challenged by a militarily and technologically - advanced foe.
I know this might be kind of a strange question.😊
Not strange at all. It’s a rather important question today, I think.🙂
 
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