Did Jesus' Death Redeem or Save Us?

[Kortyr]

Most protestants say that Jesus’s death saved us, and that His death is still saving the sins we commit today. Catholics, however, believe that Christ’s death redeemed us, and that our salvation is conditional and not secure.

I would like to see where we Catholics get our argument that He redeemed us, instead of saved us.

 

[Nita]

Jesus Death:
As Catholics, we also believe that Jesus died to save us.
And, I think most Protestants also believe we are redeemed by Jesus death.
(We also believe His death made atonement for us, was offered in expiation for our sins, ransomed us from sin, …)

The difference between Catholic and Protestant teaching about salvation (generally), IMO, is a different understanding of what salvation consists of. There are also differences in belief as to how we receive it; if cooperation is required on our part – and if so, what is the necessary cooperation.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Most protestants say that Jesus’s death saved us, and that His death is still saving the sins we commit today. Catholics, however, believe that Christ’s death redeemed us, and that our salvation is conditional and not secure.

I would like to see where we Catholics get our argument that He redeemed us, instead of saved us.

The term “redeemed” and “saved” can sometimes be used synonymously, so it all depends on the context.

Protestants and Catholics have very different views of salvation and the cross, so this is more about a difference of concepts rather than using “save” versus “redeem.”

This blog article describes the heart of the Protestant view of the cross, something Catholics utterly reject.

 

[Omyo12]

The term “redeemed” and “saved” can sometimes be used synonymously, so it all depends on the context.

Protestants and Catholics have very different views of salvation and the cross, so this is more about a difference of concepts rather than using “save” versus “redeem.”

This blog article describes the heart of the Protestant view of the cross, something Catholics utterly reject.

Very interesting article. So what exactly is the Catholic interpretation of “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” when Matthew 27:26 and Mark 15:32 quote Psalm 22:2?

Could you in brief explain the Catholic view of salvation? I’d really appreciate it!

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Very interesting article. So what exactly is the Catholic interpretation of “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” when Matthew 27:26 and Mark 15:32 quote Psalm 22:2?

Protestants believe Jesus was experiencing virtual damnation when He spoke those words, yet Catholics realize He was simply quoting Psalm 22 and applying it to himself. The “abandoned me” refers to not sending help from His persecutors, and Ps 22 is very clearly the pains Jesus suffered, and the Psalm ends triumphantly:
24 For he has not despised or disdained
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

Could you in brief explain the Catholic view of salvation? I’d really appreciate it!

I’m not sure how brief you want me to be, but here is a short article discussing the Catholic view of Ephesians 2:8. If that is too long or complicated, I’d be glad to clarify.

 

[AndyF]

Kortyr:

Jesus reconciled us with God which made it possible for us to be saved.

St. Augustine:

Since men are in this state of wrath through original sin–a condition made still graver and more pernicious as they compounded more and worse sins with it–a Mediator was required; that is to say, a Reconciler who by offering a unique sacrifice, of which all the sacrifices of the Law and the Prophets were shadows, should allay that wrath. Thus the apostle says, “For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, even more now being reconciled by his bloodwe shall besaved from wrath through him.”(68) However, when God is said to be wrathful, this does not signify any such perturbation in him as there is in the soul of a wrathful man. His verdict, which is always just, takes the name “wrath” as a term borrowed from the language of human feelings.

This, then, is the grace of God through Jesus Christ our Lord–that we are reconciled to God through the Mediator and receive the Holy Spirit so that we may be changed from enemies into sons, “for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.”(69)

Jesus then opened the door. Salvation is a choice, for has many choose to be led by the Spirit, they are the sons of God and are deserving of salvation.

Andy

catholictreasury.info/books/enchiridion/ench10.php

 

[garysibio]

I read once, although I have no idea where, that the Greek word translated ‘redeemed’ was the one used when someone purchased a slave. Jesus paid the price so that we can become His slaves rather than slaves to sin. If this is accurate it would mean that Jjsus saves us by redeeming us.

Gary

 

[Omyo12]

Protestants believe Jesus was experiencing virtual damnation when He spoke those words, yet Catholics realize He was simply quoting Psalm 22 and applying it to himself. The “abandoned me” refers to not sending help from His persecutors, and Ps 22 is very clearly the pains Jesus suffered, and the Psalm ends triumphantly:
24 For he has not despised or disdained
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.

I’m not sure how brief you want me to be, but here is a short article discussing the Catholic view of Ephesians 2:8. If that is too long or complicated, I’d be glad to clarify.

Great, thank you very much!