Did Jesus die on 33AD?

[brb3]

A longer than normall eclipse would have lasted. Luke says that the darkness began around noon and lasted until three, but then in the next phrase an eclipse *is *mentioned, depending on what translation one has. The Douay-Rheims has, for this, “And it was almost the sixth hour; and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.” (Luke 23:44-45). Modern translations have assumed too much and are not keeping with an authentic translation.
And then we have the earthquake at the time of Christ’s death which also caused damage to the Temple and and tore the curtains in the Holy of Holies.

So, actually, Ron is correct. Science has disproven nothing.

Science is not claiming that all the darkness viewed was due to the Lunar Eclipse. Indeed, none of it was. A Lunar Eclipse darkens the MOON, not the earth.

On that day in Jerusalem, the skys were darkened at Noon … until Christ died at 3PM. It was the threatening skys and earthquakes that shook the Jewish Holy City … which reached it’s maximum effect at time of death of Christ, when the veil was ripped.

The lunar eclipse that 4/3/33 date was not maximum over Jerusalem, rather it was best seen and maximal to the east, over Tibet/China … and thus was recorded accurately by Chinese astronomers. Nevertheless, a Partial Eclipse of the Moon was seen in Jerusalem … and was best seen at 3PM, thereafter waining til the moon was fully visible by approx 4-5 PM.

Christian Scientists are not saying the Lunar Eclipse caused the effects on nature that day. They are saying it was visible, to some degree, in Jerusalem that day … and was noticed and recorded by the Jerusalem Jews. Thus, the combination of BOTH the storms / earthquakes that day AND the visible Lunar Eclipse … convinced many that this was God’s VISIBLE sign to the Jews that they had killed their Messiah. Also, don’t forget the impact of the dead rising from the tombs that day … and wandering about the city. That was very powerful sign of the SUPERNATURAL AT WORK.

Today’s secular scientists would discredit the Biblical account of the Lunar Eclipse … except for the INDEPENDENT historical records of 1st Century Chinese scientists. These two independent historical records … confirm the Day of Cross as 4/3/33. However, it has only been in last few hundred years that scientists have been able to reconstuct the overhead skys on day of Calvary. Since the advent of computers, it has become much easier to show the skys on ANY date, going back hundreds of thousands of years … even as far back as the Point of Singularity, the Creation of God’s Universe, the Big Bang.

Science in many ways provides the Christian’s proof of God … and has become the secular, Atheist’s worst nightmare. Christopher Hitchen’s & Richard Dawkin’s belief that science supports their views is unsupportable. Astrononers now have no idea, what keeps the Universe from infinitely expanding vs collapsing in upon itself. Dark Energy and Dark Matter … are their best GUESS. Yet, they can’t find or measure it.

 

[peary]

Science is not claiming that all the darkness viewed was due to the Lunar Eclipse. Indeed, none of it was. A Lunar Eclipse darkens the MOON, not the earth.

On that day in Jerusalem, the skys were darkened at Noon … until Christ died at 3PM. It was the threatening skys and earthquakes that shook the Jewish Holy City … which reached it’s maximum effect at time of death of Christ, when the veil was ripped.

The lunar eclipse that 4/3/33 date was not maximum over Jerusalem, rather it was best seen and maximal to the east, over Tibet/China … and thus was recorded accurately by Chinese astronomers. Nevertheless, a Partial Eclipse of the Moon was seen in Jerusalem … and was best seen at 3PM, thereafter waining til the moon was fully visible by approx 4-5 PM.

Christian Scientists are not saying the Lunar Eclipse caused the effects on nature that day. They are saying it was visible, to some degree, in Jerusalem that day … and was noticed and recorded by the Jerusalem Jews. Thus, the combination of BOTH the storms / earthquakes that day AND the visible Lunar Eclipse … convinced many that this was God’s VISIBLE sign to the Jews that they had killed their Messiah. Also, don’t forget the impact of the dead rising from the tombs that day … and wandering about the city. That was very powerful sign of the SUPERNATURAL AT WORK.

Today’s secular scientists would discredit the Biblical account of the Lunar Eclipse … except for the INDEPENDENT historical records of 1st Century Chinese scientists. These two independent historical records … confirm the Day of Cross as 4/3/33. However, it has only been in last few hundred years that scientists have been able to reconstuct the overhead skys on day of Calvary. Since the advent of computers, it has become much easier to show the skys on ANY date, going back hundreds of thousands of years … even as far back as the Point of Singularity, the Creation of God’s Universe, the Big Bang.

Science in many ways provides the Christian’s proof of God … and has become the secular, Atheist’s worst nightmare. Christopher Hitchen’s & Richard Dawkin’s belief that science supports their views is unsupportable. Astrononers now have no idea, what keeps the Universe from infinitely expanding vs collapsing in upon itself. Dark Energy and Dark Matter … are their best GUESS. Yet, they can’t find or measure it.

But it is only in contemporary translations of the bible that the translators ‘assume’ the darkness to be caused by an eclipse of the sun, and have included it in scripture (see the NAB as opposed to earlier translations, such as Douay-Rheims). To do this, although well-intentioned, is to do injustice to the scriptures, because we don’t know if there was a sun eclipse on the day of Christ’s death. All we know, according to Scripture, is that the sky was darkened from noon to about 3 pm., which is much longer than an eclipse of the sun. I don’t know of extra-canonical writings by historians of the time that have concluded a solar eclipse with the death of Christ on the cross. Again, Ron is correct in what he wrote.

 

[brb3]

because we don’t know if there was a sun eclipse on the day of Christ’s death. All we know, according to Scripture, is that the sky was darkened from noon to about 3 pm., which is much longer than an eclipse of the sun. I don’t know of extra-canonical writings by historians of the time that have concluded a solar eclipse with the death of Christ on the cross. Again, Ron is correct in what he wrote.

Again, science/mathematics … is beyond dispute. We can now know PRECISELY what the skys presented to earthlings on 4/3/33 … in regards to the Lunar Eclipse. We can put in any city on the globe … and the computer can show you what the moon looked like on that day in the overhead skys.

We know that the Eclipse was partial @ 3PM Jerusalem time — while at that same time, 4-5 time zones to the East … it was a Maximal Eclipse for the Asians to see and record in historical texts. Later, in evening in Jerusalem, at dusk, as they were burying Christ … the moon is now visible in Jerusalem – as a post-eclipse BLOOD MOON.

Everyone always comes out in cool of evening, after a storm, to view the aftermath. And, when the Jews did, they looked up to see a clearly visible post-eclipse Bloody Moon. This confirmed to the wise men among the Jews that a great tragedy had just occurred … and their hands had blood on them — just as Pilate had told them it would be for them.

 

[Evan]

So, assuming Joanine chronology, we must find a year whitin the reign of Tiberius, where Nisan 14 falls in a friday. And it happens that 33 AD is the best candidate, moreover, there was a lunar eclipse on that same day, which would explain some of the phenomena told in the gospel accounts.

Since the Jewish calendar is Lunar, the first day of every month is a New Moon and the 14th day is a Full Moon. So there could never be a lunar eclipse on a Full Moon. So something is wrong with the above set of contradictory facts.

 

[peary]

This is a bit off topic but I just gotta say it.

Why are we using the BC/AD time scale in this discussion? Shouldn’t we be using the BCE/CE time scale?

Because if you say ‘Jesus was born in 1 BC’ that’s like saying He was born before He was born. Catch my drift? I don’t think the BC/AD time scale is appropriate. Once you determine His d.o.b then you can use BC/AD, IMO.

Sorry. I can really be a stickler for semantics

What is the problem with using BC and AD? And what does BCE and CE actually mean, anyway? “Before the Common Era” and “Common Era”. What the heck is the “Common Era”? It is a meaningless term. I dare you to define it with any sense of logic.

BC means “Before Christ” and AD means “Anno Domini” - “in the year of the Lord”, meaning that HE IS ALIVE, NOT DEAD.

Are you afraid to use AD? Oh ye of little faith!

 

[Evan]

Since the Jewish calendar is Lunar, the first day of every month is a New Moon and the 14th day is a Full Moon. So there could never be a lunar eclipse on a Full Moon. So something is wrong with the above set of contradictory facts.

My bad… I was thinking Solar Eclipse

Of course a Lunar Eclipse would be common as they always happen at a full moon.

But I don’t see any reference to a Lunar Eclipse in the Gospel Accounts. The moon getting dark is no big deal. It happens so often.

 

[brb3]

What is the problem with using BC and AD? And what does BCE and CE actually mean, anyway? “Before the Common Era” and “Common Era”. What the heck is the “Common Era”? It is a meaningless term. I dare you to define it with any sense of logic.

BC means “Before Christ” and AD means “Anno Domini” - “in the year of the Lord”, meaning that HE IS ALIVE, NOT DEAD.

Those who wish to deny Christ lived/lives by using BCE and CE … are making big ‘intentional’ Common Error

 

[brb3]

But I don’t see any reference to a Lunar Eclipse in the Gospel Accounts.

This is because the eclipse had just finished when the Blood Moon rose @ dusk. Remember that a LUNAR eclipse is seen at night, not during the day like a SOLAR eclipse is. At 3 PM when the Earth came between the Sun and Moon … it was dusk 4-5 hrs [time zones] to the east … over China. China’s time was 7-8 PM when Jesus died, and as the moon rose for them … it was in FULL Eclipse.

The eclipse had ended by the time the moon rose over Jerusalem at dusk 4-5 hrs later. But, a BLOOD MOON always follows an eclipse, and often points to fact an eclipse has just occurred somewhere earlier to the East. When the Full Moon rose at dusk in the Eastern horizon … it was red colored. This is because the Sun’s rays pass thru the Earth’s atmosphere BEFORE striking the Moon. The dust in atmosphere, and the atmosphere itself causes a ‘red-shift’ of sunlight … producing a red-colored moon. Normally, a post-eclipse Blood Moon will last for 1-2 hrs … and slowly the moon will return to its normal color as it rises higher in the night sky. But, given the storms that had occurred earlier that day … one could with good reason hypothesize that more than the usual amount of dust was in the atmosphere. Winds in desert environs like Middle East, can often carry dust up to Jet-Stream levels [50,000 + feet] … and in such cases the Moon could easily remain Red for an additional 1-2 hrs beyond it normal 1-1.5 hrs. The Blood Moon that night could have lasted 3 hrs … til perhaps 10-11PM, — a very unusual occurance !

Finally, as the Blood Moon rose on 4/3/33 AD … it was at the FOOT of the VIRGIN [constellation Virgo]. What’s the probability all this evidence is by chance alone ? Do the math, but … your calculator won’t have enough storage space to measure.

Science has clearly PROVEN this 4/3/33 date as the DAY of CROSS …

Atheists like Hitchen and Dawkins can no longer tout science as their proof that God is a myth.

 

[peary]

This is because the eclipse had just finished when the Blood Moon rose @ dusk. Remember that a LUNAR eclipse is seen at night, not during the day like a SOLAR eclipse is. At 3 PM when the Earth came between the Sun and Moon … it was dusk 4-5 hrs [time zones] to the east … over China. China’s time was 7-8 PM when Jesus died, and as the moon rose for them … it was in FULL Eclipse.

The eclipse had ended by the time the moon rose over Jerusalem at dusk 4-5 hrs later. But, a BLOOD MOON always follows an eclipse, and often points to fact an eclipse has just occurred somewhere earlier to the East. When the Full Moon rose at dusk in the Eastern horizon … it was red colored. This is because the Sun’s rays pass thru the Earth’s atmosphere BEFORE striking the Moon. The dust in atmosphere, and the atmosphere itself causes a ‘red-shift’ of sunlight … producing a red-colored moon. Normally, a post-eclipse Blood Moon will last for 1-2 hrs … and slowly the moon will return to its normal color as it rises higher in the night sky. But, given the storms that had occurred earlier that day … one could with good reason hypothesize that more than the usual amount of dust was in the atmosphere. Winds in desert environs like Middle East, can often carry dust up to Jet-Stream levels [50,000 + feet] … and in such cases the Moon could easily remain Red for an additional 1-2 hrs beyond it normal 1-1.5 hrs. The Blood Moon that night could have lasted 3 hrs … til perhaps 10-11PM, — a very unusual occurance !

Finally, as the Blood Moon rose on 4/3/33 AD … it was at the FOOT of the VIRGIN [constellation Virgo]. What’s the probability all this evidence is by chance alone ? Do the math, but … your calculator won’t have enough storage space to measure.

Science has clearly PROVEN this 4/3/33 date as the DAY of CROSS …

Atheists like Hitchen and Dawkins can no longer tout science as their proof that God is a myth.

When it comes right down to it, your metaphysical ramblings (disguised as science) mean absolutely nothing.

 

[coolduude]

What is the problem with using BC and AD? And what does BCE and CE actually mean, anyway? “Before the Common Era” and “Common Era”. What the heck is the “Common Era”? It is a meaningless term. I dare you to define it with any sense of logic.

BC means “Before Christ” and AD means “Anno Domini” - “in the year of the Lord”, meaning that HE IS ALIVE, NOT DEAD.

Are you afraid to use AD? Oh ye of little faith!

Afraid? Hardly. Where did you ever get that idea?

I know and am aware what AD means.

The BCE/CE time scale is actually identical to the BC/AD scale. Wikipedia it.

 

[coolduude]

Those who wish to deny Christ lived/lives by using BCE and CE … are making big ‘intentional’ Common Error

I don’t see why you believe I am denying that Christ is alive, for He surely is. Re-read my post that Peary quoted and you’ll see my real intention.

I got confused because using the BC/AD time scale to talk about the birth of the person who defined it seems nonsensical to me. How can Christ be born before 1 AD, the year of His birth? I just don’t get it. 1 AD will always be the year of His birth, even if that means it’s actually in 6 BC or whatever. I don’t see how this discussion could work (although it apparently has) using the BC/AD time scale.

And let me make myself clear one more time- I do believe Christ is alive.

I don’t know where some of you guys get these odd thoughts that I deny the Ressurrection of Christ.

 

[peary]

Afraid? Hardly. Where did you ever get that idea?

I know and am aware what AD means.

The BCE/CE time scale is actually identical to the BC/AD scale. Wikipedia it.

You did not answer the question. What exactly does BCE and CE supposed to represent? What is Common Era supposed to mean anyway? It means nothing.

 

[coolduude]

You did not answer the question. What exactly does BCE and CE supposed to represent? What is Common Era supposed to mean anyway? It means nothing.

Common Era= now days. ‘the times’ I guess. Or, as defined by Wikipedia, ‘Christian Era’. Like I said, it’s the same as the AD/BC scale.

 

[choy]

CE and BCE is just another secularization effort to remove Christ in our every day lives

a true Christian i believe won’t use that. whether you follow Christ or not, whether you believe in Him or not, fact is, the counting of years we use right now is because of Jesus Christ

 

[brb3]

When it comes right down to it, your metaphysical ramblings (disguised as science) mean absolutely nothing.

Propose your evidence on topic … oh Wise Man ! Scientific, or otherwise — supported by logic, historical record, etc.

I’ve presented only a portion of the science that bears on this topic.

Now, you’ve called yourself to the mound. Throw your best stuff. We will judge if you have more than metaphysics.

 

[CD_Michels]

Peter is referring the events in nature that occurred on the Day of the Cross … which happened to coincide with the Lunar Eclipse on 4/3/33 … very precisesly coincided, to the exact HOUR …

Science has disproven your ‘opinion’.

Science did not prove that the sun being blocked out on the day of Jesus’ death ’coincided’ with the Lunar Eclipse of 4/3/33 or whenever it was… YOU said that.

The bible talks about the SUN being blocked out! The fact that the Jews always had passover during a full moon, the moon was on the wrong side of the earth to block out the sun! The blocking out of the sun had nothing to do with the moon. It was totally unrelated! No relation between what is talked about in the bible and the Lunar Eclipse. Jesus could have died a year before or after and that wouldn’t effect this Lunar Eclipse that you are referring to.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Umm…lunar eclipses take place at night, not at noon or 3 in the afternoon. And a full moon doesn’t cause solar eclipses, new moons do.

Now, in a book about Old Testament Prophesies (Y’shua, the Jewish Way to Say Jesus), the author uses the prophecy from Daniel (seventy weeks) to calculate the Crucifixion to April 2, 32 A.D. (if I recall correctly).

 

[PJM]

=choy;6480699]i keep seeing this mentioned always that Jesus died on 33AD. but haven’t we established that Jesus wasn’t born on 1AD? but rather 4-6BC because Herod couldn’t have had the babies killed on 1AD because he was dead by then. also the timing of the census if i’m not mistaken would also fall around that time

so wouldn’t Jesus have died on 27AD if he was born on 6BC?

That date in in common usage because we know historically that Christ died when He was 33 years old.

Historians are in disagreement about exactly when the AD calendar actually began. So AD 33 could be off by “2 or 3 years” by some accounts.

 

[brb3]

Science did not prove that the sun being blocked out on the day of Jesus’ death ’coincided’ with the Lunar Eclipse of 4/3/33 or whenever it was… YOU said that.

The bible talks about the SUN being blocked out! The fact that the Jews always had passover during a full moon, the moon was on the wrong side of the earth to block out the sun! The blocking out of the sun had nothing to do with the moon.

It was totally unrelated! No relation between what is talked about in the bible and the Lunar Eclipse. Jesus could have died a year before or after and that wouldn’t effect this Lunar Eclipse that you are referring to.

The storm clouds blocked out the Sun, not the Moon. The Earth blocked out the Moon … but, was only viewable as a full eclipse over the Orient … where the Chinese historians recorded it on 4/3/33 date.

Google Lunar Eclipse … and you will see effects of.

The Jews only saw the aftermath of Lunar Eclipse … when a full, Blood Moon rose in East at dusk. This Blood ‘eclipse’ Moon was located at the foot of Constellation Virgo / Virgin Mary … in accordance with scriptures. Look at Statue of Mary in your Churches … many show the Moon at feet of Mary, with the Stars over her Head.

 

[JMJ_coder]

One possibility that I don’t think anyone here has considered (though I haven’t read every post):

Perhaps the sun being blotted out was supernatural and not just a planned cosmic coincidence.