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Blood does not gush out from a dead man’s body. Jesus heart was beating. Please note it.
There is no need to have a witness to Jesus survivng. There are equal chances of him being dead or alive. So he was alive. If he was senseless (in a swoon) then he would appear to be dead. As good as dead. there was no doctor there to confirm his death. Only people said, “Oh he has died”.
The miracle was that he did not die. That is what you are missing. It was a great miracle for the sake of Jesus that he did not die. He survived the attack of his enemies. That is what the Quran says. And the words of the bible NT support that. Because Jesus never later tell any one that he had returned from the dead.
Rather he told some one (Mary magd) not to touch him because he had not gone to the father yet. That also proves that he was alive all the time. The miracle (sign) of Jesus could only match that of Jonas if Jesus was alive all the time in the tomb.
If Jesus had died then it could not be any resemblance with the miracle (sign) of Jonas. Friend we have our serious reasons to believe that Jesus was alive all the time. Even Pilate did not think Jesus could die so quickly. The other two theives were alive when brought down from their crosses. That is why their legs were broken. HOw could it be that of the three men on the cross, one could die and the other two did not die?? And how could a God die?? Please think over. There is lot of things that need explanation, not just one thing.
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Planten , do you believe Jesus was crucified but did not die?
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What do you and jews who you met think about this below paragraph. Are you Jewish?
The Messiah Awaited by the Jews and the Mahdi Awaited
by Muslims Are One and the Same Holy Personage
The term “Messiah,” also known as the “awaited savior” in the revealed faiths, is manifested as the Mahdi in Islamic belief. The system of the Mahdi in Islam appears as the “Messiah” in Judaic scriptures. However, Prophet Jesus (pbuh), whose second coming as the Messiah is awaited by Christians, is not the Mahdi. Muslims also believe that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will return to Earth during the End Times; however, when Prophet Jesus (pbuh) does return, he will do so as a follower of the Mahdi–with whom, by Allah’s leave, he will help Islamic moral values to prevail across the world.
According to reliable reports handed on from our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), “Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will perform the prayer behind the Mahdi.” (Al-Qawl Al-Mukhtasar Fi alamat Al-Mahdi Al-Muntazar, p. 24.)
This report appears as follows in other hadiths:
The Prophet Jesus will appear from the sky and accept his sovereignty. People will say to the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) “Lead the prayer,” but he will respond, “The sovereign is among you.” He will say, “This is a gift of Allah to the community of Muhammad.” (Al-Qawl Al-Mukhtasar Fi alamat Al-Mahdi Al-Muntazar, p. 24.)
When the Mahdi is performing the morning prayer with the faithful at the Bayt al-Maqdis, Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will appear, and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will place his hands on his shoulder and say, “The call to the prayer has been issued for you, so you must lead it,” and finally the Mahdi will lead the Prophet Jesus (as) and the faithful in prayer. (Al-Qawl Al-Mukhtasar Fi alamat Al-Mahdi Al-Muntazar, p. 25.)
It is also revealed in authentic hadith of our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and the Mahdi will appear at the same time and fight together to impose Islamic moral values over the world. These facts, which appear in several authentic hadiths, show that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) and the Mahdi will meet when they appear, and will have a dialogue between them.
The Messiah awaited by the Jews, on the other hand, is in fact the blessed Mahdi. In Judaic texts, the term “Messiah” is also used to refer to all kings, high priests and some warriors, so that the concept is used to describing those “charged with serving and close to God.” However, the Messiah awaited by the Jews is an envoy, a religious leader who will be sent by Allah in the End Times, bring the world under his dominion and, by the will of Allah, turn people towards His path. And this description fits the Mahdi in Islam.
In addition, an examination of the Old Testament and other Judaic scriptures shows that the individual described as the Messiah possesses the characteristics of the blessed Mahdi, and that their activities and changes these two will bring about in the world are exactly the same. For that reason, the Messiah awaited by the Jews is really the Mahdi.
In the hadiths of our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), the Mahdi’s resemblance to the People of Israel, the descendants of the prophets, is highly significant. Some of the hadiths on this subject read as follows:
The blessed Mahdi’s stature and posture resemble those of the People of Israel. (Al-Qawl Al-Mukhtasar Fi alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar, pp. 36-29.)
His body is an Israelite one. (Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-zaman, p. 24.)
The Mahdi is like one of the People of Israel. (His demeanor resembles theirs, it is majestic and wise) (Al-Burhan fi Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir al-zaman, pp. 23-30.)
The blessed Mahdi has an Israelite body. He resembles one of the greatest of the People of Israel. (Ibn Hajar al-Makki)
His body is like that one of an Israelite. (Mar'i ibn Yusuf al-Maqdisi, Fera Idu Fevaidi'l Fiqr Fi'l Imam al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar)
He will resemble one of the Israelites [in his external appearance]. (Al-Uqayli, An-Najmu's-saqib fi Bayan Anna'l Mahdi min Awladi Ali b. Abu Talib Ale't-Tamam ve'l Qamal)
It is as if he is a man from the people of Israel. (Nuaym ibn Hammad, vr. 52a; Mar'i ibn Yusuf al-Maqdisi, Fera Idu Fevaidi'l Fiqr Fi'l Imam al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar)
Allah reveals in the Qur’an that He has chosen and sanctified Prophet Abraham (pbuh) and his line (Surat al-Baqara, 130, Surah Al‘Imran, 33). The same information also appears in the Judaic Old Testament (Genesis, 22:17, 12:2).
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There is one name to which every knee will bow, the name is Jesus. Jesus leads, is not lead. Jesus rules, does not follow. Jesus judges, is not judged.
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In fact, the concept of "the dominion of the moral values of the religion," which exists in Islam, is the eradication of evils and difficulties stemming from religious moral values not being complied with on Earth with the commencement of that compliance, and the spread of moral virtues. Muslims hope that the moral values commanded by Allah–namely, solidarity, justice, honesty, loyalty, modesty, forgiveness and compassion—will form the basis of relations between people, and construct an environment wherein everyone competes to behave in accord with moral values to attain Allah’s pleasure. The establishment of such a climate will undoubtedly eradicate all evils stemming from the lack of these virtues. Muslims who share that understanding aim not to possess power and sovereignty, but to use any blessings Allah bestows on them in the finest manner in order to spread the moral values of the faith.
This excellent attribute of Muslims is revealed in the Qur’an:
. . .those who, if We establish them firmly on the Earth, will establish the prayer and pay alms, and command what is right and forbid what is wrong. The end result of all affairs is with Allah. (Surat al-Hajj, 41)
The Features of the Community That is
Promised Dominion in the Old Testament
Allah has told the Jews that if they remain loyal to the true faith, obey the prophets and believe in Him alone, He will bestow superiority on them. The characteristics of the servants to whom Allah has promised dominion are described in these terms in the Old Testament:
If you carefully safeguard and keep this entire Mandate that I prescribe to you today, [and if you] love God, walk in all His ways, and cling to Him, then God will drive out all these nations before you. You will expel nations that are greater and stronger than you are. Every area upon which your feet tread shall belong to you. (Deuteronomy 11:22-24)
Devotion to Allah, scrupulous implementation of His commandments and love of Him are revealed as preconditions for the dominion of the People of Israel. In the continuation of this passage from the Old Testament, Jews are offered two choices; blessings if they choose faith, or tribulation if they turn their backs on it:
You can therefore see that I am placing before you both a blessing and a curse. The blessing [will come] if you obey the commandments of God your Lord, which I am prescribing to you today. The curse [will come] if you do not obey the commandments of God your Lord, and you go astray from the path that I am prescribing for you, following the gods of others, which you have not known. (Deuteronomy 11:26-28)
The characteristics of the society that is promised dominion are also described as follows in the Old Testament:
. . . God your Lord, is the Supreme Being. God is the faithful, who keeps in mind [His] covenant and love for a thousand generations when it comes to those who love Him and keep His commandments. (Deuteronomy 7:9-10)
. . . love the Lord your God, listen to His voice, and hold fast to Him. . . He will give you many years in the land He swore . . . (Deuteronomy 30:20)
God will then grant you a good surplus in all the work of your hands, in the fruit of your womb, the fruit of your livestock, and the fruit of your land. God will once again rejoice in you for good, just as He rejoiced in your fathers. All this will happen when you obey God your Lord, keeping all His commandments and decrees, as they are written in this book of the Torah, and when you return to God your Lord with all your heart and soul. (Deuteronomy 30:9-10)
Elsewhere in the Old Testament, it is revealed that dominion is promised to those who fear Allah:
Who, then, is the man that fears the Lord? . . . He will spend his days in prosperity, and his descendants will inherit the land. The Lord confides in those who fear him. (Psalm 25:12-14)
Again in the Old Testament, it is revealed that those who place their trust in Allah, who are humble, who take pleasure from their belief in Allah, will inherit dominion and His blessings:
Trust in the Lord and do good. . . . Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the Lord; trust in Him. . . those who hope in the Lord will inherit the land. . . the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace. (Psalm 37:3-5, 9, 11)
. . . if you keep the commands of the Lord your God and walk in His ways. . . The Lord will grant you abundant prosperity—in the fruit of your womb, the young of your livestock and the crops of your ground—in the land he swore to your forefathers to give you. The Lord will open the good treasure in the heavens, to send rain on your land in season and to bless all the work of your hands. You will lend to many nations but will borrow from none. The Lord will make you the head, not the tail. If you pay attention to the commands of the Lord your God that I give you this day and carefully follow them, you will always be at the top, never at the bottom. Do not turn aside from any of the commands I give you today, to the right or to the left, following other gods and serving them. (Deuteronomy 28:9-14)
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When the features of the society to which dominion is promised in the Old Testament are considered as a whole, it appears that the people on whom Allah will bestow sovereignty will have the following qualities:
Living in Allah’s path,
Turning to Allah in all ways,
Scrupulously obeying all His commandments,
Loving Allah,
Fearing Him,
Ascribing no equals to Allah,
Remaining loyal and faithful to Him,
Trusting in Allah,
Taking pleasure from belief in Allah,
Doing good deeds, and
Being humble.
The dominion in the Old Testament is that of the moral values of the true faith, of which believers have been told. As it is stated in the verse 85 of Surah Al‘Imran, “If anyone desires anything other than Islam as a religion, it will not be accepted from Him . . . . That true faith in the eyes of Allah is Islam.
THE “PEOPLE OF ISRAEL” REFERRED TO
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IS
THE COMMUNITY OF THE MAHDI
The attributes of the Mahdi who will appear in the End Times, and of his community, and of the glorious period they will usher in are described in considerable detail in the holy scriptures of the Abrahamic religions. These descriptions are surprisingly similar in all three faiths. Today, the appearance of hundreds of proofs, of an environment described many centuries in the past, shows that the coming of the Mahdi is now very close at hand.
According to the hadiths of our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace), the Mahdi and his community will perform very important actions, highly beneficial for the future of all mankind. But initially, they will not be recognized and will have no supporters, apart from a very small community of believers. However, those able to seeing with the eyes of faith will recognize the Mahdi and his community through the excellent impression they make. His success in spreading the faith of Allah will make it clear that he possesses the true rank of Mahdi.
One verse says that the People of the Book will recognize our Prophet (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) as they recognize “their own sons”:
Those We have given the Book recognize it as they recognize their own sons. Yet a group of them knowingly conceal the truth. (Surat al-Baqara, 146)
In figurative terms, this verse also indicates that the Mahdi, too, will be recognized. (Allah knows best) When the Mahdi appears, people will recognize him as they do their own sons, in the light of our Prophet’s (may Allah bless him and grant him peace) descriptions. Yet some people will nevertheless fail to recognize this holy personage and will persist in their denial.
Pure Faith, Not Pure Race, Is the Measure
in Allah’s Promise of Dominion
Some Jews maintain that the society referred to in terms of dominion in the Old Testament is the Jewish race. In fact, however, that the rule to be established in the End Times is that of true faith, not of genealogical superiority. It will be the result of faith and moral superiority.
Today, the great majority of Jews clearly share no such unity of belief and do not exhibit the kind of moral superiority that will help religious moral values to rule on Earth. (Sincere believers are beyond this.) This shortcoming is admitted by devout Jews, and even criticized and condemned. Clearly, whoever possesses the qualities of the society promised dominion in the Old Testament, Allah will make them the means whereby the faith’s moral values prevail. To put it another way, those who will bring about the dominion of religious moral values are believers of sincere faith, who fear and respect Allah, who maintain the moral virtues He has commanded, who are obedient to Him, and who live by love and compassion. Dominion is promised to true believers, not to any particular community or race.
It is a grave error for any to imagine that they have been promised dominion solely on the grounds that they are members of the Jewish people. What matters is not whether or not someone is Jewish, but his devotion to Allah, to His prophets and the moral values of the faith, and his obedience and submission. If anyone denies the existence of Allah or fails to appreciate His might properly; if he does not believe in religion or fails to abide completely by its moral values; if he does not believe in the prophets or does not comply with their Sunnah, then his race or line of descent makes no difference at all. If someone who does not believe in Allah and has not truly surrendered to Him, it is irrelevant whether that person is descended from the prophets Abraham, Jacob or Moses (peace be upon them). In any case, such a person has rejected the prophets from whose very line he is descended. Merely being descended from the prophets does not confer holiness on a person in the absence of true faith. The ancestry of someone who rejects the prophets Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses (peace be upon them), who does not love and fear Allah, is of no importance in Allah’s sight.
Allah has revealed in the Qur’an that fear [and respect] of Allah is the only measure that confers any value on someone in His sight:
The noblest among you in Allah’s sight is the one who most fear [and respect] Allah. Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware. (Surat al-Hujurat, 13)
Another verse reveals the finest outcome that awaits those who fear and respect Allah:
. . . So be steadfast. The best end result is for those who fear and respect Allah. (Surah Hud, 49)
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Tomshaikh, Planten and Parrasurey belive Jesus was crucified but did not die. What do you believe, and based on what?
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I have no clue what you are talking about. As far as I am concerned, you wasted writing a rather irrelevant lengthy discourse on Islam.
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I donot know about Planten but i know Parrasurey called herself Ahmadi Muslim. Saudi Government and Pakistani Government declared them out of Islam, because they believed in Gulum Mirza Qadiani who they thought is Imam Mahdi. Which he is not. You should refer to Quran Chapter 4 and Verses 157-158 that will tell you exact what Islam has to say about Jesus PBUH. I do not have to go in detailed how he will raised up in heaven or escaped his crucifixation. We should not have to focus on that instead of focusing or discussing on something else. Hope i cleared your answer if you wanna ask something else about Parrasurey religion just go typed Gullum Mirza Qadiani in google and know about him. He is out of Islam because he called him IMAM MAHDI.
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Are you jewish or christian? I am talking about Messiah which Jewish are waiting for is the same as our IMAM MAHDI, I guess. Thats all this whole lengthy discourse about.
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The Jewish Messiah and the Islamic Mahdi are not the same.
The Mahdi does not recognize Jews and will destroy them if they do not submit to Islam.
I think that if the AntiChrist would come to you and portray himself as a Madhi, you would accept him without question.
By the way, I am Catholic Christian.
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Would it be rude of me to suggest that paarsurrey, planten and tomshaikh are one and the same person? The similarities are uncanny.
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Hehehehehe your mind stuck in trinity.
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haha. nice one.
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tomashaikh,
you asked me to read the Quran to know the answer. If the answer is in the Quran, all Muslims would have believed the same. Parrasurrey is Ahmadi, Planten is sunni, and if there is another shia, am sure we’ll get another interpretation as well…so i am asking you how you understand the aya and based on what : Quran, hadith, interpretation, school of thought?
you asked me to read the Quran to know the answer. If the answer is in the Quran, all Muslims would have believed the same. Parrasurrey is Ahmadi, Planten is sunni, and if there is another shia, am sure we’ll get another interpretation as well…so i am asking you how you understand the aya and based on what : Quran, hadith, interpretation, school of thought?
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