Did Jesus divest himself of omniscience to be fully human?

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This has been debated among theologians, to a degree. The traditional, medieval view is that he did not.
 
It seems to me one cannot be fully “human” while being omniscient. For example Jesus said he didn’t know the hour of his return.
 
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It seems to me one cannot be fully “human” while being omniscient. For example Jesus said he didn’t know the hour of his return.
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So the only logical response is he can’t…However, that raises the issue of how can Father, Son, and Holy Spirit all be separate persons, yet each be God.

Somethings, through the theological virtue of Faith, we have to give into, instead of looking for contradictions…the Church uses the term “mystery” not as an excuse for being unable to explain, but to show the inability of man to understand what God does.

So the answer is not he can’t, but he can!

Peace!
 
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For centuries, this has been the accepted belief of Christianity. Is this still a debate? I thought we decided this over a thousand years ago.
 
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It seems to me one cannot be fully “human” while being omniscient. For example Jesus said he didn’t know the hour of his return.
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This approaches what it means to be human differently than the Church does, where you subjectively consider “the human experience” as what defines being human rather than consider that humanity is an objective nature. God fully assumed a human nature in Jesus Christ, while also retaining the divine nature, the two natures not mixing. While omniscience is not part of the package of human nature and so not “brought to the table” by the human nature, it is of the divine nature. Jesus did humble himself such that he did experience many of the things humans experienced, such as no doubt pains and illness and grief (along with many of the joys particular to being human), but we don’t necessarily say that Jesus’ (human) life experience was 100% identical to that of others.

As for Jesus’ knowledge of the hour, that’s not typically understood in the most plain text sense. Generally, it’s understood that it was not knowledge that he could know by his human nature alone, or perhaps not knowledge that the Son was sent to reveal.
 
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He doesn’t know the hour of His return because only the Father knows that. Jesus is the Son.
 
Well, we already accepted that Jesus was not human like us, in the sense of having a human father, performing miracles, and lack of inclination towards sin. Perhaps we can say WE are only 90 percent human, and He is 100.

Adam lacked a human father, he lacked inclination towards sin, and he may have had certain preternatural gifts. I suppose he might have been able to calm the waves. Maybe Adam was 95 percent human. Jesus is the new Adam, only much more of course.
 
No, He didn’t. He entered this world with 2 natures - one fully human, the other, fully divine.
 
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Well, we already accepted that Jesus was not human like us, in the sense of having a human father, performing miracles, and lack of inclination towards sin. Perhaps we can say WE are only 90 percent human, and He is 100.

Adam lacked a human father, he lacked inclination towards sin, and he may have had certain preternatural gifts. I suppose he might have been able to calm the waves. Maybe Adam was 95 percent human. Jesus is the new Adam, only much more of course.
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I wouldn’t do this percentages thing, as it’s misleading. Jesus assumed our nature.
 
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KevinK:
It seems to me one cannot be fully “human” while being omniscient. For example Jesus said he didn’t know the hour of his return.
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This approaches what it means to be human differently than the Church does, where you subjectively consider “the human experience” as what defines being human rather than consider that humanity is an objective nature.
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To just expand on this point, I understand if you don’t accept the claim that natures are real, objective concepts or things. That’s another topic, and perhaps there’s room for broader discussion of acceptable meanings by the Church. However, to understand at least what the Church is claiming, it seems necessary to make the distinction and to know how she traditionally understands it.
 
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Not the same knowledge because Jesus did not know the hour of his return (and presumably still doesn’t).
 
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Did Jesus divest himself of omniscience to be fully human?
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Just in case no one else addressed this:
In his full humanity: Christ’s “knowledge” is not just head knowledge, it’s the perfect knowing of Father and Son in the Love of the Holy Spirit. God’s knowing is not limited to facts, it is the expansive eternal and inter-personal knowing of love.

Here’s what it is NOT:
knowledge of all events as if he were a fortune teller
knowledge of modern medicine or modern science
 
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Not the same knowledge because Jesus did not know the hour of his return (and presumably still doesn’t).
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I wrote…
Wesrock said:
As for Jesus’ knowledge of the hour, that’s not typically understood in the most plain text sense. Generally, it’s understood that it was not knowledge that he could know by his human nature alone, or perhaps not knowledge that the Son was sent to reveal.
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goout said:
Here’s what it is NOT:
knowledge of all events as if he were a fortune teller
knowledge of modern medicine or modern science
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Source please?

God/ Jesus has no need of knowledge of “modern medicine” or “modern science” since their knowledge is no doubt way more advanced and on a different plane than either one. Jesus could cure people at will - for what did he need to know medicine? He’s called the Heavenly Physician already. As for modern science, God CREATED science, including science that man hasn’t discovered yet.
Therefore I do not understand this entire statement.
 
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goout:
Here’s what it is NOT:
knowledge of all events as if he were a fortune teller
knowledge of modern medicine or modern science
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Source please?

God/ Jesus has no need of knowledge of “modern medicine” or “modern science” since their knowledge is no doubt way more advanced and on a different plane than either one. Jesus could cure people at will - for what did he need to know medicine? He’s called the Heavenly Physician already. As for modern science, God CREATED science, including science that man hasn’t discovered yet.
Therefore I do not understand this entire statement.
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I agree with you. Not sure what you are wanting.
 
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