Did Jesus divest himself of omniscience to be fully human?

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PetraG said:
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No the Second Person of the Trinity did not divest himself of his omniscience.
Christ is God, and God is eternal, or unchanging.
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I think Philippians makes it fairly clear that he was obedient to letting go of anything the Father saw fit to let Him do without. He did this by entirely by choice; as the Second Person of the Trinity, was in his power to do this.
“This is why the Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down on my own. I have power to lay it down, and power to take it up again. This command I have received from my Father.”
John 10:17-18
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I’m not sure why you picked that out of my post in an isolated way.
That’s why the rest of my post said this:
goout said:
When Christ took on human nature, that human nature “grew in wisdom…” like any other human being. Christ was not born with knowledge of Joseph’s construction techniques. He grew in that knowledge. He would have also grown in knowledge of the scrolls. They were not infused into him at birth.

The perfect unity of human and divine natures in Christ does not violate either one. He is uniquely both natures, and unified in those natures. That’s not the way we think. We believe that operation of one must detract from the other. Not so in God’s kingdom.

At the end of the day, you have to confront the inadequacy of language and intellect to deal with this mystery.
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Mike_from_NJ said:
It seems only in Christianity can something be omniscient (possessing all knowledge) while simultaneously not possessing all knowledge.
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And @KevinK also:
Do you accept that Christ is one person with two natures, fully divine and fully human?
If not, the conversation is pointless. You simply disagree with Christian thought on this. Which is fine, but let’s just say so.
 
goout said:
I’m not sure why you picked that out of my post in an isolated way.
That’s why the rest of my post said this:
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Sorry, about that; I try to select parts of posts just to be clear about what I’m responding to. Sometimes, I over-prune.

Having said that–and forgive me if I misunderstand your meaning–His Divine nature was in operation when he did carpentry.
CCC 468 After the Council of Chalcedon, some made of Christ’s human nature a kind of personal subject. Against them, the fifth ecumenical council, at Constantinople in 553, confessed that "there is but one hypostasis [or person], which is our Lord Jesus Christ, one of the Trinity."93 Thus everything in Christ’s human nature is to be attributed to his divine person as its proper subject, not only his miracles but also his sufferings and even his death: "He who was crucified in the flesh, our Lord Jesus Christ, is true God, Lord of glory, and one of the Holy Trinity ."94

I am saying that if He didn’t know something, it is not because his divine nature did not operate in some sphere of his life. I think it would have to be because as the Second Person of the Trinity, who Himself said He is capable of laying down and picking up anything He chose, He chose not to know it. He was not “stuck” in the condition of being God, nor did He abandon being God, but as God was free to do as He chose to do in each moment.
 
Mike_from_NJ said:
It seems only in Christianity can something be omniscient (possessing all knowledge) while simultaneously not possessing all knowledge.
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Omniscience seen through a materialist lens is knowing a bunch of facts.
Omniscience seen through a Christian sense is deeper than that.
By analogy (before you pick out the inadequacy of this, keep in mind that it’s an analogy, not the thing itself)
By analogy, I know my wife. She’s 60 years old, born in the USA, 5’6". etc…I can tell you all the facts about her, and claim “I know everything about her”.
Then there is knowing of a higher level. This kind of knowing is an exchange of persons. Love. Communion. Complete intimacy. God is complete in his intimacy, and that is complete knowledge.

At the end of the day, that is the only kind of knowledge that matters. Facts fade to dust. “what did Jesus know and when did he know it?” Who really cares? What is the point of playing “gotcha” with God.
 
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This is not a valid argument. What are you using as your proof, Quote exactly please.
 
Matt. 24:35-37, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words shall not pass away. 36But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.”
 
What are the passages beside this verse and does similar appear in the other Gospels?

Also do you believe Jesus is fully human and fully divine
 
We don’t orphan passages in the Catholic Faith. We must consider what comes before and after, and the book, and of course, the times.
 
HOMM said:
Somethings, through the theological virtue of Faith, we have to give into, instead of looking for contradictions…the Church uses the term “mystery” not as an excuse for being unable to explain, but to show the inability of man to understand what God does.
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As someone that was not brought up in the Christian faith, the answer of understanding the trinity as being a mystery and taken on faith is the only one that made sense to me. I have read articles and explanations galore and to me, they just don’t make logical sense. Just accepting it as a mystery, solved by faith is one I can accept even if I still don’t believe it. All the explanations seem to make sense to those that already believe it but has never made sense to those that don’t.
 
Jesus said the Son of Man didn’t know and that’s a reference to His human nature.
 
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If you have a Bible verse that contradicts the one I posted about Jesus not knowing the hour of His return then please post it. Otherwise it stands.
 
We do not abuse Sacred Scripture in this way, we do not use it for our own means in attempts to bolster arguments.
As I said, we look at the entire context.
 
Kevin are you Catholic? This information will be relevant to my answer.
 
Jesus had a human will and human perspective that had to trust God the Father just as we do.
 
I’m sorry but this dialogue is becoming far to long in my attempt to extract a direct answer.
 
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