Did Jesus drink wine?...I think not and neither should we...

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And doesn’t St. Paul tell Timothy to “take a little wine for your stomach’s sake?” Water was not for DRINKING in 1st century AD Israel. . .even in Rome, with its aqueducts, quite a bit had to be done to have potable drinking water. Even in the 19th century and early 20th, in DEVELOPED countries like the U.S., epidemics of typhus from contaminated water were common. Milk was not common (dairy cows were rare; goat’s milk was sometimes used but again, unpasteurized milk ==and pasteur was less than 200 years ago–was often the source of diseases). So what DID people drink? New wine and old wine, beer (Egypt). . .and of course plenty of fruit was available in Israel anyway; also there were soups and stews with broth bases, and vegetables with high liquid contents, i.e. olive oil.

Since Jesus tells us in the Bible that “John came neither eating nor drinking–John, who lived in the desert and subsisted mainly on locusts and wild honey–and they condemned him; the Son of Man came eating and drinking and they call Him a drunkard and a glutton. . .” we seem to have very concrete evidence that Jesus both drank wine and ate a well balanced diet of a variety of foods.
 
Thank you tantum, you covered 2 of the 3 subjects I was about to do. You’ve brought 2 of the very most important subjects. I have listened to a fundamentalist speaker who talked about this very same subject on the radio one day. His view on the subject is very enlightening coming from the other side of the scale. He pretty much laughed off the whole anti-wine argument as some kind of fabricated un-written law. It was entertaining and so much on point that I kinda wondered why he had such an indepth take on what the scripture and context actually meant and didn’t take that quality on other “anti-catholic” fundamentalist views.

Malachi, what do you suppose that “fundamentalism” actually means when pertaining to faith? If you have an answer, please start another topic. I’d be really interested in what you’ve been told.
 
Since the Bible shows us that two of the people listed as brothers are in fact cousins, this is a dead objection. Martin Luther knew it. John Calvin knew it and probably several other major reformers. Another example of people’s modern anti-Catholicism getting the better of them.
 
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malachi_a_serva:
THE BIBLE AND WINE

By Bruce Lackey
  1. The word wine in the Bible is a generic term; sometimes it means grape juice; sometimes it means alcoholic beverages. The following verses prove that the word “wine” can mean fresh grape juice, the fruit of the vine: De. 11:14; 2 Ch. 31:5; Ne. 13:15; Pr. 3:10; Is. 16:10; 65:8; 1 Ti. 5:23.
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Malachi, I’m a simple guy. And I’m a little confused at what these verses prove.

Deut. 11:14 -*** I will give the seasonal rain to your land, the early rain and the late rain, that you may have your grain, wine*** and oil to gather in;

2 Ch. 31:5 - As soon as the order was promulgated, the Israelites brought, in great quantities, the best of their grain, wine, oil and honey, and all the produce of the fields; they gave a generous tithe of everything. Ne. 13:15 - In those days I perceived that men in Judah were treading the winepresses on the sabbath; that they were bringing in sheaves of grain, loading them on their asses, together with wine, grapes, figs, and every other kind of burden, and bringing them to Jerusalem on the sabbath day. I warned them to sell none of these victuals.

Prov. 3:10 - Then will your barns be filled with grain, with new wine your vats will overflow

Is. 16:10 - From the orchards are taken away joy and gladness, In the vineyards there is no singing, no shout of joy; In the wine presses no one treads grapes, the vintage shout is stilled.

1 Tim 5:23 - Stop drinking only water, but have a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent illnesses.

If anything, that last quote proves wine and not grape juice (that’s a pretty good twist of logic, though).

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Scott Waddell:
… Another example of people’s modern anti-Catholicism getting the better of them.
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That’s the key statement for most all fundamentalist arguements, Scott! “modern anti-catholicism”. What a statement! Protestantism has deformed sooo much that even protestantism has been protested and become increasingly distorted. The result? Fundamentalism.
 
Isn’t the issue here of excess drinking of wine? Isn’t all excess in all things bad?

I forget who it was but a protestant TV evangelist once said
“The protestant complains of the Catholic drinking his 3rd glass of wine while waiting in line for his 4th plate at the all you can eat buffet”
 
Drinking wine has never been, and is still not, any big taboo in the Jewish community. Alcoholism is relatively low among Jews. I think on another thread here it was said that there is a genetic predisposition among Jews away from alcoholism which has been identified by scientists who study DNA.

Yes, Jesus drank fermented wine, without a doubt.
 
I’m not sure if moderators see these, but I would like to suggest that this topic and the other “wine” topic be combined somehow, it’s a bit jumpy to reply.
 
Why are there 2 threads on wine? Is it really that important of an issue? I though protestants didn’t have rules or worry about works?
 
LOL! 😃

You’re killin’ me! I’m glad I can go to bed with a humored smile. I still have yet to pray the Rosary tonight too!

But mastda is right! Since Luther claimed that the church doesn’t need authority, who in the heck gave the the commandment not to drink wine at all?
 
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imroc:
LOL! 😃

You’re killin’ me! I’m glad I can go to bed with a humored smile. I still have yet to pray the Rosary tonight too!

But mastda is right! Since Luther claimed that the church doesn’t need authority, who in the heck gave the the commandment not to drink wine at all?
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I have to defend Martin Luther on this one. Like the good German he was, Luther drank beer. Most Protestants do not see alcohol drinking as a sin, it is only the extreme fundamentalists that believe it is a against the bible.
 
exoflare said:
“brothers means cousins”: there’s so many things wrong with this I don’t know where to start, but suffice it to say that’s a MAJOR oversimplification, and not even an accurate way to describe the Catholic position on those particular verses to begin with. Cheap shots like that remind me of something Boettner himself would think to write.

Anyhow, why should Catholics be concerned if their interpretation of scripture isn’t clear from taking the text directly from modern English translations? We’re not the ones who painted ourselves into a corner by claiming such a thing for the Bible, were we?
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In the Old Testament Lot is refered to as Abraham’s brother. I am too sleepy to look this up at the moment, but I will do so tommorrow.
 
I think there is nothing wrong in drinking wine and Jesus Christ drunk wine. Once the juice of a fruit fermented then it became a wine.
It is said in the bible that drinking wine is alright. i forgot the verse. it is in new testament.What is important is to distinguish drinking wine from being drunk.
 
As there is already a thread that is nearly identical in nature, this one is closed.

Please join the discussion already in progress HERE.
 
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