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Hazcompat, your post made me think of this song:
Were You There When They Crucified My Lord:
youtube.com/watch?v=4EQi-__NVNU
Were You There When They Crucified My Lord:
youtube.com/watch?v=4EQi-__NVNU
This is what is behind the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Lazarus was in the “bosom of Abraham” and the Rich Man was in a place of torture, yet there was a divide over which the two could speak to one another. This story took place before Christ’s Resurrection.Hell is the English word for the Greek word “Hades” which is the name of the abode of the dead. Before the death of Christ, Hell/Hades was divided into two section: paradise for the righteous and torment for the wicked. Currently, since Christ, through his death and resurrection, has taken the righteous into Heaven, Hell/Hades only contains the wicked who reside in the torment section.![]()
Yes, Christ redeemed them on Holy Saturday.This is what is behind the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Lazarus was in the “bosom of Abraham” and the Rich Man was in a place of torture, yet there was a divide over which the two could speak to one another. This story took place before Christ’s Resurrection.
Sounds just like what St John Chrysostom said:I understand and absolutely believe all that is said here about Jesus freeing the prisoners. I find that especially beautiful. But, I also thought that since Jesus carried OUR sins on His person to the cross, that having died with them, He descended into Hell where those sins were deposited and not being able to hold Him who was without sin, Hell had no way to hold Him captive. I just thought that.
One of these off-the-charts TV evangelists said that Jesus went to hell and engaged satan in hand-to-hand combat to win human souls. (BULL-ONEY!) To my mind Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross was enough!Thank you. This is most encouraging to me.
Jesus himself said äll power on heaven and earth has been given to me.One of these off-the-charts TV evangelists said that Jesus went to hell and engaged satan in hand-to-hand combat to win human souls. (BULL-ONEY!) To my mind Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross was enough!Then he did go to the dead (those who lived and died before Calvary) and preached the Word to them and led them to heaven. but only that part of the realm of the dead where “good” people were.
This is not scriptureDante in Inferno Canto IV has Virgil describe to him the Harrowing of Hell, when they are traveling through the first circle of Hell, reserved for people who had never known Christ, but were still good.
To me the Master good: “Thou dost not ask
What spirits these, which thou beholdest, are?
Now will I have thee know, ere thou go farther,
That they sinned not; and if they merit had,
'Tis not enough, because they had not baptism
Which is the portal of the Faith thou holdest;
And if they were before Christianity,
In the right manner they adored not God;
And among such as these am I myself.
For such defects, and not for other guilt,
Lost are we and are only so far punished,
That without hope we live on in desire.”
Great grief seized on my heart when this I heard,
Because some people of much worthiness
I knew, who in that Limbo were suspended.
“Tell me, my Master, tell me, thou my Lord,”
Began I, with desire of being certain
Of that Faith which o’ercometh every error,
“Came any one by his own merit hence,
Or by another’s, who was blessed thereafter?”
And he, who understood my covert speech,
Replied: “I was a novice in this state,
When I saw hither come a Mighty One,
With sign of victory incoronate.
Hence he drew forth the shade of the First Parent,
And that of his son Abel, and of Noah,
Of Moses the lawgiver, and the obedient
Abraham, patriarch, and David, king,
Israel with his father and his children,
And Rachel, for whose sake he did so much,
And others many, and he made them blessed;
And thou must know, that earlier than these
Never were any human spirits saved.”
I believe that CHRISTINE77 was posting that as interesting historical literature on this topic. Naturally, Dante isn’t Scripture or a Church Father.This is not scripture
I thought everyone has heard of Dante!yes i know but it’s misleading for someone to read on here who might not know that.
In my town there’s even a nightclub called “Dante’s Inferno”I thought everyone has heard of Dante!