Did Jesus have a world view?

[jackplato]

I want to thank those who replied to my original question. It was not my intent to spend so much time discussing Paul, but I guess it is my own fault. Anyway, thanks again to Georget for the biblical references, and to Publisher and Usagi for their helpful comments. I received what I was hoping for and must now move on.

Jackplato

 

[butbob]

I want to thank those who replied to my original question. It was not my intent to spend so much time discussing Paul, but I guess it is my own fault. Anyway, thanks again to Georget for the biblical references, and to Publisher and Usagi for their helpful comments. I received what I was hoping for and must now move on.13. He came to be king.

“Therefore Pilate said to Him, ‘So You are a king?’ Jesus answered, ‘You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world’” (John 18:37).

1. He came to bear witness to the truth.

“For this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth.

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Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice” (John 18:37).

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[PeaceInChrist]

I want to thank those who replied to my original question. It was not my intent to spend so much time discussing Paul, but I guess it is my own fault. Anyway, thanks again to Georget for the biblical references, and to Publisher and Usagi for their helpful comments. I received what I was hoping for and must now move on.

Jackplato

I hope that, if you are willing to devote so much time and effort into reading about connections posited by authors about the connection between Christ and Greek gods, that you are at least as willing to read things from the Church Fathers and Catholic authors on the origin of Christianity. The earliest fathers will be especially helpful: they had none of the connection that you are positing. They despised Roman and Greek gods, even calling them demons (Justin Martyr uses this to explain why they can’t offer incense to them).

 

[PeaceInChrist]

Peace,

Are you attacking me, or the critics I refer to? (“Some of Paul’s critics say that he adopted many of his ideas about the Christian God from Roman and Greek mythology”). It sounds very personal.

How does one ‘sound’ personal in writing? I merely pointed out extraordinary flaws in the reasoning behind the positions in one of your posts. It doesn’t matter if it is your view or another’s, they are still in error.

By the way, all of the things you or the authors you bring up have literally provided no adequate evidence to support the kind of claims they make. Correlation does not equal causation.

I’ll tell you what, why don’t you read the earliest Christians outside the New Testament, the Church fathers. What did they think of other gods? And also ask yourself why all the Apostles died horrible deaths or were exiled for a man who didn’t rise from the dead or perform miracles. They were sure dedicated to the lie, huh?

Which brings me back to my original question: “Did Jesus have a world view?”

If you read the New Testament, you can definitely see Christ’s worldview. He gives it often in His teachings. During His time, you’ll also notice a tendency to remain focused on only the Jews, as He came to give salvation to them first, and later to everyone else through the Apostles. This can be read in Acts, as can Paul’s conversion.

Paul’s writings are consistent with Christ’s teachings, and he often uses Scripture to support his view or expounds on certain verses. Again, Trinitarian theology is most heavily seen in the Gospel of John, and rising from the dead is seen in all of the Gospels. It is highly unlikely that these people that actually saw Christ after He had risen would write lies and go to their deaths for this lie.

 

[juliamajor]

Usagi,
Thank you for your knowledgeable and thoughtful response. You make many good points and I will give them much consideration.

Some of Paul’s critics say that he adopted many of his ideas about the Christian God from Roman and Greek mythology, which he would have been familiar with. For example, some of the mythical Gods had children with human mothers. There were Gods who took human form (incarnation). There were Gods who were killed, who went down into Hades and were resurrected again. I believe it was Adonis who is resurrected every Spring around Easter time. Jesus is supposed to have been born in the Adonis cave (identified by the mother of Constantine?). There are several “Trinities” in Greek Mythology. Many striking similarities overall. Enough for a person to at least consider the possibility that Paul wanted his Christian God to be at least as good as the Roman Gods, if he is going to succeed in converting the Romans to Christianity. He certainly was more successful than the apostles in getting converts. Could it be that the disciples adopted Paul’s ideas in order to gain more converts? Don’t know; just something to consider.

I am not resolved and have an open mind. I will continue to seek the truth and truly appreciate your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Jack

this little bit of fluff has been around at least 100 yrs or. more nothing new here. you forgot to throw Mithras in . That’s another bit that has been around for awhile and is rather old hat. .All these theories have been around forever and have fallen by the wayside discarded by scholars with common sense. What about the few who still insist Jesus is a 'fictional" character? That was a biggie for a long time Now, about 99% of historical scholars would blush that that was ever really an issue.
It’s good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out!