Did Jesus have brothers and sisters?

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Why is it unlikely? George Forman named all of his sons George. My mother put the name Mary in all her daughters names. Could you not have a Mary Patricia & a Mary Ellen & a Mary Katherine. As children, they would be called by their middle names. But when they got older, they might want to be called by a ‘grown-up’ name.

In some traditions, children are named after grandparents. If the first child had a grandmother named Mary, it would not be unusual to name the first daughter after her. If one of the spouses died and the other one remarried, could not the new mother-in-law also be named Mary. However, the first daughter was NOT named after her. So would it not be reasonable to name the next daughter after this new grandmother?

In other periods of time, people would often ‘change’ their name at different times of their lives. Ask anyone trying to do genealogical research. People appear with one name on their birth certificate, a different on a census report, and another one 10 years later on another census report.
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I don’t mean that to be uncharitable - I just started getting a bit dizzy thinking about a grandmother and a granddaughter named after her, as the first-born and then a spouse dies and then there’s a mother-in-law with the same name and so the next daughter, the one born after the first-born would be named the same name as the mother-in-law which just happens to be the same name as the grandmother (it is a common name)…
 
There were people who are questioning that Mary might have a sister with a similar or same name. Since they felt that could never happen, it was, for them, additional proof that Mary had other children.

I was pointing out that, given the approach to naming, it was quite plausible that the explanations other gave for the names & the children of such named women not being the Blessed Mary’s physical children was quite reasonable and logical.

Personally, I hold to the notion that Mary and Joseph had a non-sexual relationship after Jesus was born. Joseph was aware of who the Father of Jesus was. I believe that he would treat his wife as he would a holy item in the Temple, with great reverence. She had been made holy by carrying God’s Son in a way that is much different then how we are made holy by the Presence of Jesus in our lives.
sallybutler,
Thanks for the explanation; but I’m a bit confused. Usually, the passage that says Mary the mother of Jesus had a sister named Mary, is used to point out that ***sister ***may not mean sister as we know the word. The relationship may be one other than sister. Just as James, called the brother of our Lord, may have a different relationship other than brother.

I agree that Mary and Joseph had a non-sexual relationship and that Mary is the Ever Virgin–The Blessed Virgin Mary.

Anna
 
Not like in that old TV show - I can’t remember the name. It had Bob Newhart in it and there were two brothers with the same name and it was a running joke.

It would be bizarre for parents to name two daughters “Mary.”
LittleSoldier,

:rotfl: I remember that. It was “The Bob Newhart Show.”

The line was: "Hi, I’m Larry, this is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl!

Cracks me up every time. :rotfl:

Anna
 
Personally, I hold to the notion that Mary and Joseph had a non-sexual relationship after Jesus was born. Joseph was aware of who the Father of Jesus was. I believe that he would treat his wife as he would a holy item in the Temple, with great reverence. She had been made holy by carrying God’s Son in a way that is much different then how we are made holy by the Presence of Jesus in our lives.
The following post, from another thread, pretty much sums it up for me…
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Also, consider that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the legitimate Son of God.

Did God stop being the Father of Jesus? No. Since God is the legitimate father and Mary the legitimate mother, the only way for Mary to take ‘another’ husband without commiting adultery would be if God wasn’t really the legitimate Father or that He ‘divorced’ Mary.

OR, if Mary had REALLY been planning to marry and consummate the marriage with Joseph, what does that make God? It makes God the kind of God who like the Greek and Roman gods beds human women, has ‘half-human/half God’ offspring and then casts the woman aside as not ‘good’ enough for Olympus. It makes God into the kind of God who takes Mary to be the mother of HIS child and CUCKOLDING Joseph.

Is it FAIR of God to take a woman who was promised and intended to marry another man, impregnate her, and then say to Joseph, “OK, I’ve used her the way I want, NOW you can have her after me?” Is it fair to the relationship of a man and woman who planned to have ‘regular’ sexual relations to have the woman raising (as the man’s) the child of ANOTHER man and expect their lives to ‘go on as planned?’

Is it fair of God to play around with the love of a man and woman, which is what it would have been if Mary had planned to have a ‘sexual’ marriage with Joseph?

Is it fair to JESUS for God to use His mother as an ‘incubator’ and then leave Jesus as a huge reminder to Joseph, always feeling ‘apart’ from the ‘other kids’ who would be both Mary’s and Joseph’s? To put Joseph in the shoes of having to raise "the son of God’ and have that child (who was not Joseph’s ‘own’) always be considered as the oldest son, the heir, while the younger boys who ‘were’ Joseph’s ‘own’ would not have their true rights as the REAL ‘sons’ of Joseph?? How do you think those children would feel about their brother? Would they even really believe He was the son of God, and not some ‘lie’ foisted by Mary onto their father? How would they view their mother --as somebody who tried to lie and cheat and raise some ‘bastard’ above them and take their legal rights and status, take all the attention?

NOT exactly the kind of family you would think that God would want for any child, let alone that by your thinking God would have PLANNED to cuckold Joseph, rob Joseph’s ‘own’ children of their legal rights, and put them in the position of being party to what would have been lies (Jesus was NOT ‘the son of the carpenter’ or the ‘oldest child’, Mary would have been viewed as a slut, the children’s status even when the truth ‘came out’ would have been even WORSE than before). . .

Whereas by the grace of God and the testimony and the grace accorded by the Holy Spirit who LEADS US TO ALL TRUTH – the understanding of the truth --that God did NOT cuckold Joseph, that there were no ‘other children’ who would be robbed of their rights and would be made miserable–we have a situation where Joseph is shown to be a righteous, chaste, and WORTHY foster father to the ONE child for whom he freely takes on responsibility ‘on earth’. . .we have Mary’s love not divided between ‘God’ and ‘earthly’ but fully given to God and SUPPORTED by Joseph–we have Jesus not overshadowing and robbing his brothers and sisters or being unfairly elevated, but living with a father and mother who could devote themselves to GOD and His Son without anything coming between.

It’s so much more reasonable a picture–and it’s also the picture that has been presented through Christianity over the last 2000 years and endorsed by greater thinkers than any of us here –

in fact, the idea that Joseph and Mary were sexually ‘intimate’ was not even a concept which the first PROTESTANTS believed as is shown by the fact that Martin Luther believed in the perpetual virginity of Mary. It is very much a ‘modern’ idea based on the hypersexualization of our culture along with the often unconscious desire to try to make Mary (and Joseph, and even Jesus) into more ‘human’ people, i.e., people ‘just like us’. . .and to dismiss as ‘absurd’ ideas such as perpetual virginity, continence, and giving ‘all’ to God instead of living a ‘normal’ life and giving Him anything ‘left over’ when and if it suits us too. . .

As I said earlier, the Bible is an excellent TOOL but it is not self-interpreting nor is it our AUTHORITY. There is a lot the Bible never tells us (what did Jesus do between the ages of 12 and 30, for example), and that’s because it doesn’t HAVE to. The Church has the authority to teach (and the Church’s teachings will not CONTRADICT Scripture and in fact the perpetual virginity does NOT contradict Scripture in any way). . .but it doesn’t HAVE to tell us WHY, WHEN, WHERE and HOW as if it were discussing a movie of the week about Mary’s perpetual virginity, complete with touching backstory and ‘guaranteed proof from eyewitness reports’. The Church teaches that Mary was a perpetual Virgin, it’s in the catechism, it’s in the teachings spread back over the centuries because that’s the way the Holy Spirit wanted to have us taught.
 
There were people who are questioning that Mary might have a sister with a similar or same name. Since they felt that could never happen, it was, for them, additional proof that Mary had other children.

I was pointing out that, given the approach to naming, it was quite plausible that the explanations other gave for the names & the children of such named women not being the Blessed Mary’s physical children was quite reasonable and logical.

Personally, I hold to the notion that Mary and Joseph had a non-sexual relationship after Jesus was born. Joseph was aware of who the Father of Jesus was. I believe that he would treat his wife as he would a holy item in the Temple, with great reverence. She had been made holy by carrying God’s Son in a way that is much different then how we are made holy by the Presence of Jesus in our lives.
This brings to mind something else. Not many people catch this.

If you read the scripture it says to Mary was bethrothed to Joseph. Okay now in those days older men were bethrothed to woman who were what we call nuns today.

But they never had any sexual relations with the men.

Now go back to Mary, when she is told she will have a Son, she was like HOW, I have no sexual relations with a Man!:eek:

Now if you were going to get married, and have a normal relationship with your husband, and an angel came to you and said you blessed and are going to have a Son, you woulld think THATS GREAT!

You would not ask HOW:eek: You would assume that you and your husband would have a Son! But Mary said How I have no knowledge of Man? Now remember the angel did not say you have already conceived a Son the Angel said YOU WILL. Get the picture.

Mary had already given herself up to the Lord. She never had plans to be with a Man. So in those days older men took them in to help take care of them.

That is why Joseph was not at the foot of the cross with her with Christ. Joseph was much older and already dead.
 
This brings to mind something else. Not many people catch this.

If you read the scripture it says to Mary was bethrothed to Joseph. Okay now in those days older men were bethrothed to woman who were what we call nuns today.

But they never had any sexual relations with the men.

Now go back to Mary, when she is told she will have a Son, she was like HOW, I have no sexual relations with a Man!:eek:

Now if you were going to get married, and have a normal relationship with your husband, and an angel came to you and said you blessed and are going to have a Son, you woulld think THATS GREAT!

You would not ask HOW:eek: You would assume that you and your husband would have a Son! But Mary said How I have no knowledge of Man? Now remember the angel did not say you have already conceived a Son the Angel said YOU WILL. Get the picture.

Mary had already given herself up to the Lord. She never had plans to be with a Man. So in those days older men took them in to help take care of them.

That is why Joseph was not at the foot of the cross with her with Christ. Joseph was much older and already dead.
I thought of that (except for Joseph already being dead). If I were 13 (or to be more modern, 19) and was walking down the street and an angel appeared to me and said “You will have a Son” I’d ask the angel who my husband was going to be and when would I get married and how long after I got married would I have this son. I wouldn’t think “but I’m a virgin! How can I have a son?” It doesn’t make any sense - unless I were a nun (or somehow consecrated to the temple or a church or whatever) so that I knew I would remain a virgin for the rest of my life.

Then I would say “But…but…but…I’m not EVER going to have relations with a man so how am I going to get pregnant and have this son? Hmmmmm??? Answer THAT, yon angel!” (Sorry, Gabriel - no disrespect intended.)

There had to be a reason Mary answered as she did. It’s not a normal answer for a young woman to give. There was something going on that the bible is pretty much silent about. But if there were a custom in which young women were consecrated to the temple and married widowers (older widowers, obviously, as Mary was only 13 or so) and took care of the widowers’ children from previous marriages while remaining virgins themselves, it all makes sense.

And it also shows that the Bible does not explain absolutely everything. Does it even mention Joseph and Mary getting married? I haven’t found it but then I haven’t read most of the NT. Maybe it’s there but I haven’t seen it.
 
Lutherans are free to believe either way, personally, I believe that the Virgin Mary was ever-virgin and the brothers and sisters mentioned were cousins.
 
. . . .And it also shows that the Bible does not explain absolutely everything. Does it even mention Joseph and Mary getting married? I haven’t found it but then I haven’t read most of the NT. Maybe it’s there but I haven’t seen it.
Joseph married Mary after the angel appeared to him in a dream:
Matthew 1:
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. 20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel”

(which means, God with us). 24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Peace, 🙂
Anna
 
Joseph married Mary after the angel appeared to him in a dream:
Matthew 1:
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. 20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel”

(which means, God with us). 24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Peace, 🙂
Anna
Ah. Thank you! I knew about the dream because I had heard about it but had not read about it. I knew that Joseph could have had Mary stoned for adultery.

And so they were married after the birth of Jesus.

And a little bit of precious information is added to my addled brain and hopefully I will remember this. 🙂
 
LittleSoldier,

:rotfl: I remember that. It was “The Bob Newhart Show.”

The line was: "Hi, I’m Larry, this is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl!

Cracks me up every time. :rotfl:

Anna
That’s the one! :rotfl:
 
Joseph married Mary after the angel appeared to him in a dream:
Matthew 1:
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. 20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:

23 “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,
and they shall call his name Immanuel”

(which means, God with us). 24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Peace, 🙂
Anna
Ah. Thank you! I knew about the dream because I had heard about it but had not read about it. I knew that Joseph could have had Mary stoned for adultery.

And so they were married after the birth of Jesus.

And a little bit of precious information is added to my addled brain and hopefully I will remember this. 🙂
They were married before the birth of Jesus. Look at the time line.

As soon as the Angel spoke to Mary, she went to visit Elizabeth:
Luke 1:
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy— the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” **And the angel departed from her.

39 In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a town in Judah, 40 and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.**

Mary stayed with Elizabeth 3 months:
Luke 1:
56 And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home.

Scripture doesn’t tell us exactly when Mary told Joseph she was pregnant.

We do know that when Mary and Joseph started the trip to Bethlehem, they were still betrothed:
Luke 2:
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. 6 And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.

They would have married either at some point during the trip or after they arrived in Bethlehem, but before the birth of Jesus:
Matthew 1:
24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Peace,
Anna
 
They were married before the birth of Jesus. Look at the time line.

As soon as the Angel spoke to Mary, she went to visit Elizabeth:
Luke 1:
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy— the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” **And the angel departed from her.

39 In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a town in Judah, 40 and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.**

Mary stayed with Elizabeth 3 months:
Luke 1:
56 And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home.

Scripture doesn’t tell us exactly when Mary told Joseph she was pregnant.

We do know that when Mary and Joseph started the trip to Bethlehem, they were still betrothed:
Luke 2:
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. 6 And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.

They would have married either at some point during the trip or after they arrived in Bethlehem, but before the birth of Jesus:
Matthew 1:
24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Peace,
Anna
Good work Anna,
Now this is something I always wondered.

Beings that Elizabeth and Mary were related, John and Jesus were so close in age, Wonder if they looked like one another?
 
For sake of argument let us say Mary did have other children, strangely the NT and the Apostles are very,very,very silent about Jesus little bros and sisters? The sibilisngs of the Son of God and not much about them? :whistle:
 
Good work Anna,
Now this is something I always wondered.

Beings that Elizabeth and Mary were related, John and Jesus were so close in age, Wonder if they looked like one another?
Rinnie,
I’ve never really thought about it. They may have looked alike. Jesus would have inherited his physical features from Mary.

Anna
 
For sake of argument let us say Mary did have other children, strangely the NT and the Apostles are very,very,very silent about Jesus little bros and sisters? The sibilisngs of the Son of God and not much about them? :whistle:
Jesus giving the care of His mother over to John from the cross is good evidence that He was an only child. This is also evident in Jesus interaction with His Brethern. They treat Jesus as a younger than them. Since Jesus is the First Born, they could only be children of another mother.
 
Jesus giving the care of His mother over to John from the cross is good evidence that He was an only child. This is also evident in Jesus interaction with His Brethern. They treat Jesus as a younger than them. Since Jesus is the First Born, they could only be children of another mother.
Yep! 👍
 
They were married before the birth of Jesus. Look at the time line.

As soon as the Angel spoke to Mary, she went to visit Elizabeth:
Luke 1:
34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy— the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God.” 38 And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word.” **And the angel departed from her.

39 In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a town in Judah, 40 and she entered the house of Zechariah and greeted Elizabeth.**

Mary stayed with Elizabeth 3 months:
Luke 1:
56 And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home.

Scripture doesn’t tell us exactly when Mary told Joseph she was pregnant.

We do know that when Mary and Joseph started the trip to Bethlehem, they were still betrothed:
Luke 2:
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. 6 And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth. 7 And she gave birth to her firstborn son and wrapped him in swaddling cloths and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the inn.

They would have married either at some point during the trip or after they arrived in Bethlehem, but before the birth of Jesus:
Matthew 1:
24 When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him: he took his wife, 25 but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

Peace,
Anna
OK. I will change my hope. I hope I forget what I misunderstood (I don’t know how I can misunderstand something that is right there in front of my face!) and remember that they were married BEFORE the birth of Jesus.

They were married before the birth of Jesus.
They were married before the birth of Jesus.
They were married before the birth of Jesus.

OK, brain? Have you got it straight now (oh why did I start taking so much pain medication? :(:mad:).

Anna, thanks for the clarification and for patiently explaining (again). I am so grateful for your help! 🙂 Usually when I ask for help and post something that is absolutely incorrect and goes against Church teaching, nobody tells me I’m wrong. I WANT to be told I’m wrong - if I’m really wrong. I want so much to know truth. God bless you for helping me! 🙂
 
Good work Anna,
Now this is something I always wondered.

Beings that Elizabeth and Mary were related, John and Jesus were so close in age, Wonder if they looked like one another?
I wonder if Jesus looked like Mary. It fascinates me that John recognized the Messiah before either of them were born! There was certainly something going on there. I don’t know much about John the Baptist but I know he was humble and he obeyed Jesus by baptising Him.

I’d like to learn more about Mary (I just got a few books about her but haven’t had time to start reading them) and now I would like to learn more about John the Baptist.
 
For sake of argument let us say Mary did have other children, strangely the NT and the Apostles are very,very,very silent about Jesus little bros and sisters? The sibilisngs of the Son of God and not much about them? :whistle:
Not only that, but where were these putative siblings when Jesus was crucified? Shouldn’t they have taken care of Mary instead of John? Wasn’t that Jewish law?

It’s a bit more evidence to back up the claim that Jesus did not have blood siblings, although He may have had half-siblings (and where were they when He was crucified?)

Just sayin’ and askin’. :whistle:
 
Rinnie,
I’ve never really thought about it. They may have looked alike. Jesus would have inherited his physical features from Mary.

Anna
I’m going to ask something because I think you know the answer. Did Jesus inherit his “human-hood” from Mary?

This should probably be presented in another thread and I don’t want to discuss it in detail but I recently heard that He did inherit His “human-hood” from Mary and that this is what the Church teaches.

Just a “yes” or “no” would suffice. I don’t want to take the thread off-topic but this has bothered me for awhile.
 
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